LOL I agree with you there is always exceptions - I was merely speaking about dogs that I have bred and have come back to visit - my old Emma cannot be called slim but I do try to watch her weight - she is nearly eleven, spayed (darn it) and a regular hoover - the slightest crumb on the floor and she sees it! Murder when the grandchildren come to stay - she is the only one that can whip the ice-cream off the top of a cone without them even noticing! VBG
Annette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Ann Carvill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Breeding for hearts > I agree with most of what you said Annette....but... > I have sold pets that were very pampered and too well fed..donuts for > breakfast. The received little or no excersise. they did receive > excellent vet care. > One that I remember very well looked like a foot stool. He was > neutered, very fat, very fuzzy. He was a watermelon with legs. > He lived to be 12 and when he died it was due to a truck. > As much as we'd like to play God it's simply not possible. > All any of us can do is our best. > Jo Ann > > > I do explain it not only to anyone buying a puppy off me but to the > many > > people that ring me everyday enquiring where they can get a puppy > > There are NO lines clear of MVD and no genetic test to enable us to > screen > > our stock - there fore there is no way of knowing which puppy (if > any) in a > > litter will develop early or late onset unfortunately and who will > never > > develop it but live and die of some other ailment like cancer or > kidney > > failure. You can health test until the cows come home and use dogs > with a > > good history behind them but it will not prevent somewhere along the > line a > > puppy in later life developing MVD. > > I am all for testing but one has to keep these things in perspective. > I > > think we had this discussion some weeks ago - are we going to breed > only for > > healthy hearts and lose all the other things which make Cavaliers the > breed > > they are? I know that I would prefer to have a typical Cavalier with > a good > > temperament that lived to be ten than an untypical generic dog with > maybe a > > bad temperament that lived to be fourteen. > > Perhaps I have been fortunate as yet I have not had one of my dogs > die of > > MVD BUT I do know of dogs that I have bred who have developed it. > Chance? > > Good Luck? I don't know but it is interesting that those that I have > seem > > with MVD that I bred were "pampered pooches" overweight, lacking in > > exercise - two of the things that will exacerbate the condition. > > I have two oldies here with murmurs but they are asymptomatic - will a > > normal life style with the younger ones but I watch their weight > carefully > > and do not restrict their exercise. > > Just my opinion for what it is worth > > > > Annette Jones > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Winnie Clark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:28 PM > > Subject: [CKCS-L] Breeding for hearts > > > > > > > <<<<Hearts are only one small part of the equation when breeding - > to be > > > <<<<considered yes but not more so than everything else > > > > > > And perhaps you'd like to explain that to pet owners who watch > > > their dogs *suffer* and die from early onset MVD. > > > > > > > > > Winnie > > > Columbus, NC > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Dogs are made of love and fur. > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > "Magic Commands": > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs- > l.html > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original > author. > > > > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs- > l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original > author. > > > > > > ========================================================= > "Magic Commands": > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > to start it up gain click here: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author. > ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. 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