What "great dogs' are you talking about? Of course you won't say just make cowardly accusations. Jo Ann Carvill BJ Cavaliers [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.bjcavaliers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Myra Savant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] genotype v phenotype
> Renee, please don't consider this a flame because I am glad you posted and I > see the points you are trying to make. Please don't compare people with > AIDS to dogs. We simply are not dealing with the same problems. A dog with > a bad heart doesn't lose his job, or the respect and caring of his family or > friends. He isn't even remotely contagious and so that piece of the whole > thing never even comes up. There is no social stigma attached to acquiring > a bad heart as there unfortunately is with AIDS. If a dog with a bad heart > is publicly known to have a bad heart all that happens to him is that people > will no longer want to have him siring puppies for them. Instead of > focusing on the great dogs who you say have been maligned over the years > based on hearsay and gossip, I would rather focus on the great dogs over the > years who have passed on their bad hearts, crummy hips and other genetically > transmitted diseases so that generations of their progeny can die young, > live in pain and suffer. If I have to choose between protecting the > reputation of a "great dog who has been maligned" or the puppies that I am > responsible for, my puppies and their little tiny hearts win every single > time. Myra Savant > > > >From: Renee Bruns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: The Cavalier King Charles Spaniel List > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] genotype v phenotype > >Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:48:57 -0800 > > > >Myra wrote: > > > > > While I agree that people are more inclined to support a registry that > > > publishes good news, I still wish that we had an open registry that > >gives > >us > > > all the known information. By having access to that information, we > >could > > > start to piece together the puzzles about carrier status and recessives. > >We > > > would be able to know more about the genetic baggage that our dogs are > > > carrying. I know that you are correct that if people were mandatorily > > > required to report all of the testing information in any society, they > > > simply wouldn't test. I'm not sure why that is, but I suppose it has > > > something to do with the competitive nature of showing dogs for sport. > >All > > > we can do at this point is the best we can do. Myra Savant > > > > > > >I work with clients living with AIDS. If we were to force testing and open > >reporting, I'm afraid we would have many people refusing to be tested for > >fear of being "outed" or worse! Just imagine the ramifications of that! > >Now, please don't flame me. I am well aware of the differences between > >AIDS > >and health testing, with open reporting, of our Cavaliers, but please just > >think about all the great dogs who have been so maligned over the years > >based on hearsay and gossip. > > > >IF (and in my mind it's a very big IF), an open registry really was to be > >used for the good of the breed, I'd support it wholeheartedly. Instead, > >what I (and many of the people I know in this breed) unfortunately have > >been > >witness--and sometimes recipients--of is more like a witch hunt when > >someone > >has a problem in the breed. And, it seems that the more successful someone > >is, the more maligned their dogs are. > > > >Again, please don't flame me. I certainly support health testing and the > >sharing of information for breeding purposes. All I'm saying is an open > >registry as has been suggested is just not realistic. > > > >I also wholeheartedly agree with Janice and the others who made the point > >that just because all results are not in an open database does not mean we > >don't test. I'm guilty of not sending in heart, eye and knee results on my > >dogs, too. And, since most of my dogs are under 2 or have just turned 2, > >I'm just starting to do hips. > > > >I would love to see the day when health testing is just done by everyone > >and > >not used as a marketing tool or as a means to imply that someone else isn't > >part of a "premiere" group of breeders. Maybe there's another reason test > >results are not being supplied to someone expressing an interest in using a > >dog. Maybe it's their way of saying the dog is not available? > > > >Renee Bruns > >Oklahoma > > ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 1999 by its original author.
