On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 05:05:17PM -0500, David Ramsey wrote:
> > Makhleb
> > =======
> >
> > I don't think recently making him worthless for casters was a good
> > idea. With invocations redundant with summoning magic, and healing hp
> > only, he became a melee-only god,
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > If you think there should be some nerf, we can nerf something else.
> > This particular one just removes a niche, removing choice for no other
> > gain.
> 
> Agreed, especially if Vehumet and his MP-on-kills are getting the axe.

Makhleb is so much better for the "hp/mp for kills" slot than either
Vehumet or TSO.  Concerns about "being too powerful" can be done with by
adjusting the numbers.

> > Sifumet
> > =======
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > Vehumet -- "god of destruction and mayhem" -- come on, really?
> > Makhleb, Trog?
> 
> Regarding Makhleb/Trog, there's still redundancy in terms of flavor.
> Makhleb could be adjusted to be the god of bloodshed and mortification
> (fitting with the blood and souls theme; mortification of your enemies
> either by your hand or by your demonic allies' hands; etc.) without much
> more than text changes.  I've brought this up before, but no one seemed
> interested; if there is interest now, I'll come up with a flavor text
> proposal.

I imagine him as sitting on an enormous pile of skulls -- that kind of
theme.  Chaos but with a sick purpose.

Trog on the other hand is a bar drunken brawl: rage but no hatred.

Fleshing out their theme could be great.

> > Nemelex
> > =======
> >
> > I recently added a powerful card to the deck of destruction, in some
> > cases it is brokenly good.  I don't care much for annihilating statues
> > you find in completely open areas, but it might be too good elsewhere
> > as well. Please test.
> >
> > Proposal:
> > * let's do more such changes to the deck of Torment
> 
> Do you mean Deck of Punishment here?

Sorry for using ##crawl-dev parliance.  I meant decks of Destruction, which
currently deal inconsequential damage but frequently drain and/or torment
you instead.  This leads to people being careful to not sacrifice any
weapons.

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                //      Never attribute to stupidity what can be
                //      adequately explained by malice.

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