> If number of PRs is to be used as a credit towards getting a badge, maybe there should be a way to flag some PRs as undeserving.
Agreed and perhaps the same for commits and Jira tickets but that's the last thing I want to spend time adjucating :-( Gary On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 7:34 AM sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Badges may well cause some people to feel valued, but I think they can > be divisive. > What about people who don't 'earn' enough points to merit a badge? > Might that not cause them to feel undervalued? > > The value of a person to an ASF project cannot be purely measured in > terms of the number of contributions; the quality of those > contributions is important. > > Regarding encouraging PRs: it's not the number of PRs that matter, > it's the usefulness. > If number of PRs is to be used as a credit towards getting a badge, > maybe there should be a way to flag some PRs as undeserving. > > On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 at 12:17, Paulo Motta <pa...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > Apologies if the previous message sounded snarky - it was late and I > > impulsively cherry-picked some excerpts to comment without much second > > thought. :-) > > > > A more constructive attempt: > > > > 1. I like the principles of the Fedora badging program presented by Rich, > > and I think we should adopt them verbatim if they are openly licensed. > > 2. I think the "gamification" concern of Gary is actually a feature and > not > > a bug - I think the goal of a badging program is to motivate people to > > contribute more to get more badges. If someone abuses the system to get > > badges without deserving them, then this is a problem that should be > > addressed if/when it arises. > > 3. Sebb does not see a point in badges and I also am not interested in > > earning them, but there are many people that do and this could be a good > > way to encourage contributions. To me, the target audiences of this > program > > are primarily new contributors who are not yet committers, and > secondarily > > seasoned contributors who like to earn or display badges. People who care > > less about badges don't need to receive them by just not signing up to > the > > badging system as Rich said. > > 4. It looks like Rich has addressed Gary's privacy consideration but we > can > > submit the proposal to ASF Privacy before being implemented for > additional > > review. > > 5. I still think projects should opt-in for project-specific badges (ie. > > code contributions at project X). If the program is successful, projects > > will want to adopt it. > > > > > We should also have a simple way for people to propose new badges. Spot > > noted that the bottleneck with Fedora Badges has always been the design > of > > the badge, not the lack of ideas. > > > > I agree but I think this may distract the initial implementation of the > > program. I think we should focus on one or a handful of carefully thought > > badges to start, and if they're proven effective then we could create a > > process to onboard new badges in the next iteration of the program. > > > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 11:21 PM Paulo Motta <pa...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > Nice discussion! A few comments: > > > > > > > I do not think that we need projects to opt in to this. Badges are > not > > > aimed at projects. They are aimed at *people*. > > > > > > Disagree. Projects should have the autonomy to decide if they want to > > > adopt the ASF badging system for their contributions. I do not see why > a > > > project would opt-out, but if they want to they should have this > > > prerrogative. > > > > > > > I am worried about gamification and a flood of PRs just to get > badges. > > > > > > What’s the worry? A flood of PRs seems like a good thing for projects > > > needing contributions. 😊 > > > > > > > Some people may not want badges; they should not be forced to have > them > > > if they happen to meet the criteria. > > > > > > Badges need to be accepted by the awardee before being emitted. > > > > > > > Personally, I do not see the point of them. > > > > > > You are probably not the target audience for badges if you are a > seasoned > > > contributor. > > > > > > > I wonder if there are there any privacy issue we should be able to > > > foresee? > > > > > > priv...@apache.org should determine if the privacy policy of the > chosen > > > badging provider is acceptable, Badging WG members should not worry > about > > > this. > > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 at 12:38 Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Rich, > > >> > > >> I don't have specific realistic concerns, I am trying to look ahead > and > > >> avoid a "how didn't yiu guys think of THIS!" moment 😀 > > >> > > >> Gary > > >> > > >> On Fri, Mar 8, 2024, 12:19 PM Rich Bowen <rbo...@rcbowen.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > On Mar 8, 2024, at 12:09 PM, Gary D. Gregory <ggreg...@apache.org > > > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > Sure, badging can be fun and it sure seems popular on GitHub: I do > > >> like > > >> > my Mars 2020 Helicopter Mission badge ( > https://github.com/garydgregory/) > > >> ! > > >> > > > > >> > > I wonder if there are there any privacy issue we should be able to > > >> > foresee? > > >> > > > > >> > > I would guess that badges would be derived from data that a member > > >> from > > >> > the internet public might be able to painstakingly assemble, but > maybe > > >> not. > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > Every badge that I’ve come up with in brainstorming about this has > been > > >> > either 1) based on public information or 2) something that the > recipient > > >> > requests (like “I attended a particular event.”). None of it seemed > > >> > particularly painstaking. Do you have concerns? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Should a person be allowed to opt out of a specific badge or the > whole > > >> > badge system? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > As I said in the email you responded to … > > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> For every badge system I’ve looked at, nobody receives any badges > > >> until > > >> > they log into the system, creating their account. That is, these > systems > > >> > are all opt-in by default. If people are actual averse to receiving > > >> > congratulations for their activities, then don’t create a badge > system > > >> > account. Done and done. > > >> > >> > > >> > > > >> > Whether a person can opt out of a particular badge, that’s more a > > >> tooling > > >> > question. I would assume that the answer is “yes” since this is just > > >> data, > > >> > and data can be deleted. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > >
