Not for nothing, but at least according to the last board report that I submitted, the user@ traffic is up 100% and the dev list traffic is flat as compared to last quarter. That's not to say that we couldn't stand more discussion on the lists, but a lot of the dev discussion happens on github and JIRA and I'm happy to see an uptick in user traffic.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:05 AM Otto Fowler <ottobackwa...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wouldn’t be so quick to related the slack discussion with perceived > activity on the list. > That is more do to the other things that are bigger issues. > > > On October 24, 2018 at 07:15:30, Nick Allen (n...@nickallen.org) wrote: > > > I have heard recently people thought Metron is sort of dead just because > the mailing list is not so active anymore! > > That is exactly my concern. > > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 2:49 AM Ali Nazemian <alinazem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I kind of expect to have Slack for more dev related discussions rather > than > > user QA. I guess it is quite common to expect mailing list to be used for > > the purpose of knowledge sharing to make sure it will be accessible by > > other users as well. Of course, it is a trade-off that most of the other > > Apache projects decided to accept the risk of keeping user related > > discussions out of Slack/IRC. However, it sometimes happens to see the > > mixture of questions coming to Slack. I have heard recently people > thought > > Metron is sort of dead just because the mailing list is not so active > > anymore! > > > > Cheers, > > Ali > > > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 8:23 AM Casey Stella <ceste...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Agreed, the benefit of the mailing list is that it’s searchable by > > ponymail > > > and the major search engines. > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 17:18 Nick Allen <n...@nickallen.org> wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know that it is the same kind of searchable. Is it being > > indexed > > > > by the major search engines? I have never used a search engine and > > > > uncovered the answer to my problem in a Slack archive. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:05 PM Otto Fowler <ottobackwa...@gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > According to Greg Stein, an infra admin on the NiFi slack, the ASF > > > slack > > > > > that metron is in IS the standard plan, not the free one and is > > > > searchable > > > > > past 10,000 messages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On October 22, 2018 at 15:35:51, Michael Miklavcic ( > > > > > michael.miklav...@gmail.com) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ...From an archival and broader reach point of view, I do think > > there's > > > > > something to be said about using the mailing list. It's also easier > > to > > > > link > > > > > to Q/A threads from the mailing list archives and do searches... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1aa85bc13d41e04a1f85c3100c2b803abe35d79b54062bbeaab83ace@%3Cdev.metron.apache.org%3E > > > > > > > > > > How very Inception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:32 PM Michael Miklavcic < > > > > > michael.miklav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I just want to point out that we currently have 32 members in the > > > > Metron > > > > > > Slack channel which I personally think is a great sign. This is > > good > > > > from > > > > > a > > > > > > community perspective and helps foster interactive sessions where > > > > > required. > > > > > > From an archival and broader reach point of view, I do think > > there's > > > > > > something to be said about using the mailing list. It's also > easier > > > to > > > > > link > > > > > > to Q/A threads from the mailing list archives and do searches. As > > > > such, I > > > > > > would also go along with Nick's suggestion and urge members to > > prefer > > > > the > > > > > > user/dev list where possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:51 AM Justin Leet < > > justinjl...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> If we want to push more discussion to the dev list, my obvious > > > follow > > > > up > > > > > >> question then is "What are we hoping to get out of > Slack/irc/other > > > > > >> interactive medium?". What discussion would we even want on > there, > > > if > > > > we > > > > > >> can't have decisions and don't want usage/support? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:44 PM Casey Stella < > ceste...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I am of 2 minds, but I tend to agree. On the one hand, it's > > > > definitely > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> > preference that we use the mailing lists for the reasons you > > > stated > > > > > (and > > > > > >> > also because not everyone has access to slack generally). On > the > > > > other > > > > > >> > hand, I think an interactive medium like Slack has a lot of > > > > advantages > > > > > >> in > > > > > >> > terms of user satisfaction. Ultimately, though, we may satisfy > 1 > > > > user > > > > > >> at > > > > > >> > the cost of not persisting the discussion and satisfying many > > > users. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I'll go along with a specific preference to drive more > > discussion > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > >> > mailing list. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Casey > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:18 PM Nick Allen < > n...@nickallen.org > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > It seems that we are seeing a lot of Metron usage and > support > > > > > >> questions > > > > > >> > on > > > > > >> > > the Slack Channel. > > > > > >> > > These are questions that previously would have been directed > > to > > > > the > > > > > >> User > > > > > >> > or > > > > > >> > > Dev mailing lists. Since this is occurring in the Slack > > Channel, > > > > the > > > > > >> > > conversations are not archived. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > In my opinion, this is not good for the Metron community. > > Having > > > > > this > > > > > >> > > persisted in a discoverable form (like a mailing list > archive) > > > not > > > > > >> only > > > > > >> > > helps support current users, but also helps *potential* > users > > > > > >> understand > > > > > >> > > how Metron is being used. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > Does anyone else agree or disagree? At a minimum, I feel we > > need > > > > to > > > > > >> do > > > > > >> > > something to direct these conversations back to the mailing > > > list. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > A.Nazemian > > >
