This issue has been resolved with Uma, Thanks! Very truly yours Gary
On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi Uma, > > Thank you very much for proposing me as Chair for Apache Mnemonic project. > > Hi Mentors and PPMCs > > Looks I have no enough permission to update the content of > https://whimsy4.apache.org/roster/ppmc/mnemonic > <http://whimsy.apache.org/roster> , Could you please help and guide us to > correct those issues pointed out by Uma? Thanks! > > Very truly yours > Gary > > > > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Gangumalla, Uma <uma.ganguma...@intel.com > > wrote: > >> Hi Gary, >> >> https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/mnemonic has draft resolution >> option. >> Need to choose a chair. I propose you(Gary Wong) as Chair for Apache >> Mnemonic project if no other objections. (Do we need vote for this) >> >> Also it says, resolution can be reviewed in private list. >> >> >> From that whimsy.apache.org/roster >> Below things needs to be corrected. >> 1. >> Licensing >> * No Software Grant and No IP Clearance Filed >> * No Release Yet/Missing ASF Copyright Headers on Source Code >> * No Release Yet/Binary has licensing issues >> >> 2. PPMC/Committers in this project are not listed there >> >> 3. Prior board report is not linked to June month report. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> Uma >> >> >> On 9/7/17, 11:16 AM, "Gary Wong" <qich...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >Got it, Thanks for the guidance, We are going to start the official vote. >> >we have also prepared a draft of Graduation resolution for your review, >> >Thanks! >> > >> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MNEMONIC/Gradua >> tion+Resolution >> > >> >On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:07 AM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >> >wrote: >> > >> >> To do official VOTE thread we need to have proposed board resolution >> for >> >> the TLP. >> >> >> >> - Henry >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Gary Wong <qich...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi Patrick and Mentors >> >> > >> >> > Thank you for the input and guidance. >> >> > >> >> > I have visited the following page that you mentioned, it looks there >> >>are >> >> > some broken links. >> >> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >> >> graduation_check_list >> >> > >> >> > I paste two key sections here as a checklist for verification >> >> > >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Preparations >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Complete (and sign off) tasks documented in the status file >> >> > >> >><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-status> >> >> > Yes, it is up-to-date >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Ensure suitable names >> >> > >> >><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-names> >> >> > for >> >> > project name and product names >> >> > Approved, >> >>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH- >> >> 95 >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Demonstrate ability to create Apache releases >> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#releases> >> >> > Release 8 versions and another one is WIP, involved 3 release >> >> > managers >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Demonstrate community readiness >> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community >> > >> >> > Our contributors come from different companies and show the >> >> diversity >> >> > and working on different components, all changes have been >> >>reviewed >> >> > and >> >> > trackable. we have an open, positive and inclusive atmosphere >> >>for >> >> the >> >> > discussion >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Ensure Mentors >> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_ >> >> > Responsibilities.html#Mentor> >> >> > and IPMC >> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_ >> >> > >> >>Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29> >> >> > have no remaining issues >> >> > >> >><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-issues> >> >> > We have taken actions on issues from the discussion of >> >>graduation >> >> and >> >> > fulfilled the Apache maturity assessment >> >> > >> >> > >> >>https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp >> >> > -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Decide upon destination >> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >> >> > subproject-or-top-level> >> >> > Would be Top-Level Project >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Prepare a resolution >> >> > >> >><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution> >> >> > *(top >> >> > level candidates only)*. >> >> > We will prepare our resolution according to >> >> > >> >> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >> >> > submission_of_the_resolution_to_the_board >> >> > template >> >> > >> >> > https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/ >> >> > templates/podling-tlp-resolution.txt >> >> > and some samples >> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CRUNCH/ >> >> > Graduation+Resolution >> >> > >> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FINERACT/ >> >> > Graduation+Resolution >> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/DATAFU/ >> >> > Graduation+Resolution >> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MADLIB/ >> >> > Graduation+Resolution >> >> > The resolution should be proposed on the general incubator list >> >> > <gene...@incubator.apache.org> before a *VOTE >> >> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>* is started to >> allow >> >> > feedback >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Subproject acceptance *VOTE* >> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >> >> > subproject-acceptance> >> >> > by destination Project *(*subproject* candidates only)* >> >> > NA >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Incubator PMC (IPMC) >> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_ >> >> > >> >>Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29> >> >> > : >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > For top level candidates, this is a recommendation *VOTE* >> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#ipmc- >> >> > top-level-recommendation> >> >> > See below. >> >> > >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > For subproject candidates, this is a graduation approval *VOTE* >> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >> >> > subproject-graduation> >> >> > NA >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Final hand-over >> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes- >> >> on-hand-over >> >> > > >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > Consider post graduation tasks >> >> > <https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >> >> > project-first-steps> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Graduation to a top level project requires: >> >> > >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > a charter for your project >> >> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >> >> preparing_a_charter >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > a positive community graduation VOTE >> >> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html> >> >> > >> >> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >> >> > community_graduation_vote >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE >> >> > <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html> >> >> > I have not found a template for this vote, but we can refer to >> >>other >> >> > project's vote. >> >> > Samples >> >> > >> >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator- >> >> > general/201709.mbox/%3CCAOqetn_+Oub4Gtr4=hOv= >> >> > cLeMYB0i=xeewkoxibpg1v+cwa...@mail.gmail.com%3E >> >> > - >> >> > >> >> > the acceptance of the resolution >> >> > >> >><https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution> >> >> by >> >> > the Board >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > so our next step would be to prepare a resolution, please help to >> >>verify >> >> it >> >> > and guide us to complete those steps for graduation, Thanks! >> >> > >> >> > Very truly yours >> >> > Gary. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > ps. >> >> > > >> >> > > > 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation >> >> > > >> >> > > keep in mind that this is the discussion thread and not a vote. >> Note >> >> (see >> >> > > the link to grad doc I just provided) that you need to do a couple >> >> things >> >> > > before the vote. >> >> > > >> >> > > Patrick >> >> > > >> >> > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> >> >>wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > > I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date >> >>to >> >> me. >> >> > > > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict: >> >> > > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >> >> > > graduation_check_list >> >> > > > namesearch >> >><https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH- >> >> 95 >> >> > > >> >> > > > etc... signed off a while ago >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Patrick >> >> > > > >> >> > > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >> ga...@apache.org> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to >> >>this >> >> > > email >> >> > > >> thread for details. >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required >> >>before >> >> > > >> graduation >> >> > > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for >> >> Mnemonic >> >> > > and >> >> > > >> fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation >> >> > > >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg >> >> > > >> 7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes, >> >> > Thanks! >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> Cheers >> >> > > >> Gary >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang >> >><ga...@apache.org> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many >> >>contributors >> >> are >> >> > > >>> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our >> >> > community, >> >> > > so I >> >> > > >>> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed >> to >> >> > > collect >> >> > > >>> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide >> >>us >> >> if >> >> > > any >> >> > > >>> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks! >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> Very truly yours >> >> > > >>> Gary >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >> >> ga...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>> wrote: >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs >> >> > > >>>> >> >> > > >>>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed >> out >> >> for >> >> > > >>>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our >> >> > > project's >> >> > > >>>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote >> and >> >> IPMC >> >> > > >>>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted >> from >> >> > > >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community >> ? >> >> > > Thanks! >> >> > > >>>> >> >> > > >>>> [image: Inline image 1] >> >> > > >>>> >> >> > > >>>> Very truly yours >> >> > > >>>> Gary >> >> > > >>>> >> >> > > >>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong < >> pures...@gmail.com> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >>>> >> >> > > >>>>> +1 support for graduation. >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <hevei...@gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> > +1 support for graduation. >> >> > > >>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> > Wei HE >> >> > > >>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >> >> > ga...@apache.org >> >> > > > >> >> > > >>>>> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best >> for >> >> the >> >> > > >>>>> readiness >> >> > > >>>>> >> for the graduation. >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the >> >> > > following >> >> > > >>>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks! >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that >> >> > brought >> >> > > >>>>> me to >> >> > > >>>>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. >> >>Unless >> >> > > >>>>> you're on >> >> > > >>>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted >> >>repos.* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using >> >> > > >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link >> >>of >> >> > > >>>>> website. we >> >> > > >>>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove >> Github >> >> link >> >> > > >>>>> from >> >> > > >>>>> >> navigator menu on website. >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of >> >> this >> >> > > >>>>> item, from >> >> > > >>>>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to >> >> > > "centos:latest" >> >> > > >>>>> which >> >> > > >>>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira >> >>MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) >> >> > and >> >> > > >>>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP) >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are >> >> from >> >> > > >>>>> committers >> >> > > >>>>> >> or from contributors. If I take >> >> > > >>>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 >> >> > > >>>>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as >> >>an >> >> > > >>>>> example, the >> >> > > >>>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source >> >> > code.* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all >> commit >> >> > > >>>>> messages must >> >> > > >>>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title. >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect >> >> (the >> >> > > use >> >> > > >>>>> of >> >> > > >>>>> >> *most*)* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project >> >>source >> >> > > >>>>> repository >> >> > > >>>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that >> >> > generated >> >> > > >>>>> by mvn >> >> > > >>>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project >> >>files >> >> > > have >> >> > > >>>>> been >> >> > > >>>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin. >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator. >> >> apache.org/news/ >> >> > > >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that >> >>doesn't >> >> > > >>>>> include any >> >> > > >>>>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator. >> >> > apache.org/downloads/ >> >> > > >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does >> >> include >> >> > > >>>>> download >> >> > > >>>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link >> >> > > >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and >> >>the >> >> > > result >> >> > > >>>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes. >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field. >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute >> >> binary >> >> > > >>>>> >> releases."* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes it is and corrected >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old >> >>artifacts.* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira >> >>ticket >> >> > > >>>>> MNEMONIC-357 >> >> > > >>>>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved) >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may >> >>want >> >> to >> >> > > use >> >> > > >>>>> >> linters, sonar, etc.* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to >> >>project >> >> > > >>>>> later, as >> >> > > >>>>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project >> >> > records >> >> > > >>>>> all bugs >> >> > > >>>>> >> in the Apache¹s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses >> >> Eclipse >> >> > or >> >> > > >>>>> Intellij >> >> > > >>>>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality." >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security >> >> > > >>>>> vulnerability >> >> > > >>>>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way >> >>to >> >> > > >>>>> confirm >> >> > > >>>>> >> this.* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues >> >>would be >> >> > > >>>>> treated with >> >> > > >>>>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service >> >>are >> >> > > >>>>> separated >> >> > > >>>>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security >> >> > concerns >> >> > > >>>>> could be >> >> > > >>>>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first >> >>place.", >> >> > that >> >> > > >>>>> this >> >> > > >>>>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design >> >> viewpoint >> >> > as >> >> > > >>>>> well. >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for >> >>around >> >> 6 >> >> > > >>>>> months.* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any >> >> > commentary >> >> > > >>>>> or >> >> > > >>>>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?* >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly >> >> revoke >> >> > > >>>>> them. >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments* >> >> > > >>>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/ >> >> > 10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp >> >> > > >>>>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> Very truly yours >> >> > > >>>>> >> Gary >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament < >> >> > > >>>>> johndam...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > Huge +1 to that. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra < >> >> > > >>>>> henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for >> >> readiness >> >> > > our >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make >> >>sure >> >> we >> >> > > >>>>> are ready >> >> > > >>>>> >> > for >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > graduation. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > - Henry >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament < >> >> > > >>>>> johndam...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> Hello, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling >> >>aim >> >> to >> >> > > >>>>> graduate. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > Its >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been >> >> > > >>>>> successful or >> >> > > >>>>> >> not, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> but >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some >> >> feedback >> >> > on >> >> > > >>>>> the APMM >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of >> >>this >> >> > > form >> >> > > >>>>> and >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for >> >>graduation. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand >> >>that >> >> > > >>>>> completing >> >> > > >>>>> >> > this >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, >> >>podlings >> >> > who >> >> > > >>>>> think >> >> > > >>>>> >> they >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB >> >>that >> >> > > >>>>> brought me to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> your >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. >> >>Unless >> >> > > >>>>> you're on >> >> > > >>>>> >> > gitbox, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a >> >>violation of >> >> > > this >> >> > > >>>>> item, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > from >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to >> >> > > >>>>> "centos:latest" >> >> > > >>>>> >> > which >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo >> >>are >> >> > > from >> >> > > >>>>> >> > committers >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 >> >>as >> >> an >> >> > > >>>>> example, >> >> > > >>>>> >> the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the >> >> source >> >> > > >>>>> code. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is >> >>incorrect >> >> > > (the >> >> > > >>>>> use of >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> *most*) >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator. >> >> > > apache.org/news/ >> >> > > >>>>> but >> >> > > >>>>> >> that >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does >> >> > include >> >> > > >>>>> download >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> links >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote >> (PPMC). >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not >> >>distribute >> >> > > binary >> >> > > >>>>> >> > releases." >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old >> >> > artifacts. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You >> may >> >> want >> >> > > to >> >> > > >>>>> use >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> linters, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> sonar, etc. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a >> >>security >> >> > > >>>>> vulnerability >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's >> no >> >> way >> >> > to >> >> > > >>>>> confirm >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> this. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for >> >> > around >> >> > > 6 >> >> > > >>>>> months. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without >> any >> >> > > >>>>> commentary or >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is >> that? >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> Regards, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> John >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >> >> > > >>>>> ga...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your >> >> > > >>>>> evaluation, >> >> > > >>>>> >> please >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome! >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Cheers! >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > Gary >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >> >> > > >>>>> ga...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Hi John >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> Gary >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > johndam...@apache.org >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/ >> >> > > dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/ >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >> >> > > >>>>> ga...@apache.org >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your >> >> browser >> >> > > and >> >> > > >>>>> then >> >> > > >>>>> >> > review >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks! >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Gary >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) >> >>Wang < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much >> >>for >> >> > > >>>>> pointing it >> >> > > >>>>> >> out, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> we >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks! >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament >> < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> johndam...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored >> >> > > >>>>> artifacts, but >> >> > > >>>>> >> you >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, >> >>your >> >> > old >> >> > > >>>>> releases >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> should >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring >> >>but I >> >> > > can't >> >> > > >>>>> find >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> anything >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format >> >>is >> >> > going >> >> > > >>>>> to be >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer. >> >> cgi/incubator/mnemonic >> >> > > >>>>> and you'll >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> want >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) >> >>Wang < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the >> >> > > navigator >> >> > > >>>>> in home >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> page, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, >> >>Thank >> >> you >> >> > > >>>>> very much >> >> > > >>>>> >> > for >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) >> >>Wang >> >> < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package >> >> from >> >> > > >>>>> Apache >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the >> >> > following >> >> > > >>>>> web page >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/ >> >> > > incubator-mnemonic/releases >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache >> >>Mirrored >> >> > > >>>>> Github page >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/ >> >> > > incubator-mnemonic/releases >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of >> home >> >> page >> >> > > >>>>> dedicated >> >> > > >>>>> >> > for >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. >> >>Ament < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I >> >>download >> >> > > >>>>> Mnemonic? >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong < >> >> > > >>>>> >> qich...@gmail.com> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this >> >>checklist >> >> for >> >> > > >>>>> PPMC >> >> > > >>>>> >> review, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, >> >>Gangumalla, >> >> > Uma < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and >> ready >> >> for >> >> > > >>>>> graduation. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this? >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do >> Maturity >> >> > model >> >> > > >>>>> checklist >> >> > > >>>>> >> > to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that >> >> sheet, >> >> > > so >> >> > > >>>>> that >> >> > > >>>>> >> will >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better? >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" < >> >> > > >>>>> jo...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top >> >>level >> >> > > >>>>> project . >> >> > > >>>>> >> We >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> have >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache >> >> community >> >> > > >>>>> under the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts? >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, >> >>Gang(Gary) >> >> > > Wang < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ga...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have >> >> > completed >> >> > > >>>>> the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your >> >> feedback, >> >> > > >>>>> this >> >> > > >>>>> >> Apache >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and >> >> > maintained >> >> > > >>>>> by >> >> > > >>>>> >> > dedicated >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the >> >> > visitors >> >> > > >>>>> from >> >> > > >>>>> >> > Github >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a >> >> forward >> >> > > >>>>> link in >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> project >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause >> >> unexpected >> >> > > >>>>> view of >> >> > > >>>>> >> this >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in >> >> incognito >> >> > > >>>>> mode. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John >> >>D. >> >> > > Ament < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the >> >> > website >> >> > > >>>>> to the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> team. I >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before >> a >> >> > > >>>>> graduation. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM >> >>Patrick >> >> > > Hunt < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on >> >> > > >>>>> additional RMs >> >> > > >>>>> >> (and >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and >> clearly >> >> > > document >> >> > > >>>>> >> release >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been >> >>largely >> >> > > >>>>> addressed. >> >> > > >>>>> >> If >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in >> >>favor, >> >> > but >> >> > > >>>>> up to >> >> > > >>>>> >> you >> >> > > >>>>> >> > - >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> do >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point? >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, >> >> > Debojyoti >> >> > > >>>>> Dutta < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddu...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are >> >>trying >> >> > to >> >> > > >>>>> solve >> >> > > >>>>> >> that >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> with >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We >> >>have >> >> > had >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> contributions >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up >> >>soon >> >> and >> >> > > we >> >> > > >>>>> will >> >> > > >>>>> >> see >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> more >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, >> >> Patrick >> >> > > >>>>> Hunt < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of >> >>podlings >> >> > over >> >> > > >>>>> the >> >> > > >>>>> >> years >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> and >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good >> >>trajectory. As >> >> > > >>>>> noted my >> >> > > >>>>> >> main >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular >> >> > > >>>>> "self-sustaining and >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities". >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/gu >> >> > > >>>>> ides/graduation.html# >> >> > > >>>>> >> > community >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise >> >> > > >>>>> statements from >> >> > > >>>>> >> > the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The >> >> > podling >> >> > > is >> >> > > >>>>> >> > following >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way" >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the >> >>sustaining >> >> > > part >> >> > > >>>>> for me. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community >> >>as a >> >> > > whole >> >> > > >>>>> is >> >> > > >>>>> >> owning >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, >> >> > Andrew >> >> > > >>>>> Purtell >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurt...@apache.org >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a >> >>podling >> >> > is >> >> > > >>>>> ready for >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, >> >> > > Mnemonic, >> >> > > >>>>> I'd >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> encourage >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list >> >> archives >> >> > > for >> >> > > >>>>> >> examples >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> of >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and >> >>submitting >> >> > the >> >> > > >>>>> result to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent >> >>move >> >> to >> >> > > >>>>> bring in >> >> > > >>>>> >> more >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> RMs >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that >> >> everyone >> >> > > is >> >> > > >>>>> aware >> >> > > >>>>> >> of >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> it. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report >> >>might >> >> not >> >> > > be >> >> > > >>>>> read >> >> > > >>>>> >> > back. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 >> >>PM, >> >> > John >> >> > > >>>>> D. Ament >> >> > > >>>>> >> < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndam...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did >> >>you >> >> > or >> >> > > >>>>> Andrew >> >> > > >>>>> >> > share >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've >> >>noticed >> >> > > that >> >> > > >>>>> >> podlings >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive >> >> responses >> >> > > >>>>> the way >> >> > > >>>>> >> TLPs >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> do. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's >> >>information, >> >> we >> >> > do >> >> > > >>>>> also >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> maintain >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per >> >> > project, >> >> > > >>>>> Mnemonic >> >> > > >>>>> >> > can >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/ >> >> > > >>>>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling >> >>receiving 5 >> >> > > +1's >> >> > > >>>>> on a >> >> > > >>>>> >> dev >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> list >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for >> >>more >> >> on >> >> > > >>>>> list >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> discussion, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there >> (I >> >> > would >> >> > > be >> >> > > >>>>> >> curious >> >> > > >>>>> >> > to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations). >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I >> >> > sometimes >> >> > > >>>>> ask >> >> > > >>>>> >> these >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about >> >> > > >>>>> graduation, not >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 >> >>PM >> >> > > >>>>> Patrick Hunt < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my >> >> > feedback >> >> > > >>>>> on the >> >> > > >>>>> >> most >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report? >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't >> >>believe >> >> > this >> >> > > >>>>> has >> >> > > >>>>> >> > changed >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all >> >> > > releases >> >> > > >>>>> have >> >> > > >>>>> >> been >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/ >> >> > > >>>>> >> incubator/March2017 >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned >> >>previously >> >> my >> >> > > only >> >> > > >>>>> >> concerns >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> at >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at >> >>11:07 >> >> AM, >> >> > > >>>>> Gang(Gary) >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> Wang < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our >> >> community >> >> > > and >> >> > > >>>>> project >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to >> >>start >> >> > the >> >> > > >>>>> following >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> votes >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/ >> >> > > guides/graduation.html >> >> > > >>>>> with >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no >> >>objection >> >> > > today >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation >> >> vote >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation >> >>vote >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project >> >>Incubation >> >> > > Status >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/ >> >> > > projects/mnemonic.html >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at >> >>11:26 >> >> > PM, >> >> > > >>>>> >> Gang(Gary) >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> Wang >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting >> >>this >> >> > > >>>>> discussion. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is >> >> growing >> >> > > and >> >> > > >>>>> >> continue >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some >> >> industry >> >> > > >>>>> users are >> >> > > >>>>> >> > aware >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to >> >>deliver >> >> > > >>>>> unique >> >> > > >>>>> >> values >> >> > > >>>>> >> > to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very >> >>important >> >> for >> >> > > us >> >> > > >>>>> to get >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks >> >>nothing >> >> > left >> >> > > >>>>> for us to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to >> >>propose >> >> > our >> >> > > >>>>> project >> >> > > >>>>> >> as >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP. >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks! >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, >> 2017, >> >> John >> >> > > D. >> >> > > >>>>> Ament < >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndam...@apache.org >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your >> >> > recent >> >> > > >>>>> release, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > your >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was >> >> > wondering >> >> > > >>>>> what was >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> left >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate? >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > -- >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards, >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, >> you >> >> > > believe >> >> > > >>>>> you >> >> > > >>>>> >> have >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. - >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts) >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> >> > > >>>>> >> >> > > >>>> >> >> > > >>>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >
