ps. > 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation
keep in mind that this is the discussion thread and not a vote. Note (see the link to grad doc I just provided) that you need to do a couple things before the vote. Patrick On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org> wrote: > I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date to me. > http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html > > Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict: > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#graduation_check_list > namesearch <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-95> > etc... signed off a while ago > > Patrick > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this email >> thread for details. >> >> 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before >> graduation >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ >> >> 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for Mnemonic and >> fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg >> 7jLFp-ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing >> >> 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation >> >> Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes, Thanks! >> >> Cheers >> Gary >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs >>> >>> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are >>> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I >>> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect >>> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any >>> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks! >>> >>> Very truly yours >>> Gary >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs >>>> >>>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for >>>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's >>>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC >>>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks! >>>> >>>> [image: Inline image 1] >>>> >>>> Very truly yours >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pures...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 support for graduation. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <hevei...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > +1 support for graduation. >>>>> > >>>>> > Wei HE >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the >>>>> readiness >>>>> >> for the graduation. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following >>>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought >>>>> me to >>>>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless >>>>> you're on >>>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of >>>>> website. we >>>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link >>>>> from >>>>> >> navigator menu on website. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this >>>>> item, from >>>>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" >>>>> which >>>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and >>>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from >>>>> committers >>>>> >> or from contributors. If I take >>>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 >>>>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an >>>>> example, the >>>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit >>>>> messages must >>>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use >>>>> of >>>>> >> *most*)* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source >>>>> repository >>>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated >>>>> by mvn >>>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have >>>>> been >>>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't >>>>> include any >>>>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ >>>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include >>>>> download >>>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link >>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result >>>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary >>>>> >> releases."* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Yes it is and corrected >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket >>>>> MNEMONIC-357 >>>>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved) >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use >>>>> >> linters, sonar, etc.* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project >>>>> later, as >>>>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records >>>>> all bugs >>>>> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or >>>>> Intellij >>>>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality." >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security >>>>> vulnerability >>>>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to >>>>> confirm >>>>> >> this.* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be >>>>> treated with >>>>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are >>>>> separated >>>>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns >>>>> could be >>>>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that >>>>> this >>>>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as >>>>> well. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 >>>>> months.* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary >>>>> or >>>>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?* >>>>> >> >>>>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke >>>>> them. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments* >>>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp >>>>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Very truly yours >>>>> >> Gary >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament < >>>>> johndam...@apache.org> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > Huge +1 to that. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra < >>>>> henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our >>>>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist. >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we >>>>> are ready >>>>> >> > for >>>>> >> > > graduation. >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > - Henry >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament < >>>>> johndam...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > > wrote: >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> Hello, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to >>>>> graduate. >>>>> >> > Its >>>>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been >>>>> successful or >>>>> >> not, >>>>> >> > >> but >>>>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on >>>>> the APMM >>>>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form >>>>> and >>>>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that >>>>> completing >>>>> >> > this >>>>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who >>>>> think >>>>> >> they >>>>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that >>>>> brought me to >>>>> >> > >> your >>>>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless >>>>> you're on >>>>> >> > gitbox, >>>>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this >>>>> item, >>>>> >> > from >>>>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to >>>>> "centos:latest" >>>>> >> > which >>>>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from >>>>> >> > committers >>>>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take >>>>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an >>>>> example, >>>>> >> the >>>>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source >>>>> code. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the >>>>> use of >>>>> >> > >> *most*) >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ >>>>> but >>>>> >> that >>>>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links. >>>>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include >>>>> download >>>>> >> > >> links >>>>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC). >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary >>>>> >> > releases." >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to >>>>> use >>>>> >> > >> linters, >>>>> >> > >> sonar, etc. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security >>>>> vulnerability >>>>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to >>>>> confirm >>>>> >> > >> this. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 >>>>> months. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any >>>>> commentary or >>>>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that? >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> Regards, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> John >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>>> ga...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your >>>>> evaluation, >>>>> >> please >>>>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks. >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome! >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> > Cheers! >>>>> >> > >> > Gary >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>>> ga...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> Hi John >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours >>>>> >> > >> >> Gary >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament < >>>>> >> > johndam...@apache.org >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at >>>>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/ >>>>> >> > >> >>> >>>>> >> > >> >>> >>>>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>>> ga...@apache.org >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and >>>>> then >>>>> >> > review >>>>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks! >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours >>>>> >> > >> >>>> Gary >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for >>>>> pointing it >>>>> >> out, >>>>> >> > >> we >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament < >>>>> >> > >> johndam...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored >>>>> artifacts, but >>>>> >> you >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old >>>>> releases >>>>> >> > >> should >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't >>>>> find >>>>> >> > >> anything >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going >>>>> to be >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic >>>>> and you'll >>>>> >> > >> want >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator >>>>> in home >>>>> >> > >> page, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you >>>>> very much >>>>> >> > for >>>>> >> > >> the >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from >>>>> Apache >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following >>>>> web page >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored >>>>> Github page >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page >>>>> dedicated >>>>> >> > for >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download >>>>> Mnemonic? >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong < >>>>> >> qich...@gmail.com> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for >>>>> PPMC >>>>> >> review, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for >>>>> graduation. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this? >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model >>>>> checklist >>>>> >> > to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so >>>>> that >>>>> >> will >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better? >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" < >>>>> jo...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level >>>>> project . >>>>> >> We >>>>> >> > >> have >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community >>>>> under the >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts? >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ga...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed >>>>> the >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, >>>>> this >>>>> >> Apache >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained >>>>> by >>>>> >> > dedicated >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors >>>>> from >>>>> >> > Github >>>>> >> > >> to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward >>>>> link in >>>>> >> > >> project >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected >>>>> view of >>>>> >> this >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito >>>>> mode. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website >>>>> to the >>>>> >> > >> team. I >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a >>>>> graduation. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on >>>>> additional RMs >>>>> >> (and >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document >>>>> >> release >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely >>>>> addressed. >>>>> >> If >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but >>>>> up to >>>>> >> you >>>>> >> > - >>>>> >> > >> do >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point? >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti >>>>> Dutta < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddu...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to >>>>> solve >>>>> >> that >>>>> >> > >> with >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had >>>>> >> > >> contributions >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we >>>>> will >>>>> >> see >>>>> >> > >> more >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick >>>>> Hunt < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over >>>>> the >>>>> >> years >>>>> >> > >> and >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As >>>>> noted my >>>>> >> main >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular >>>>> "self-sustaining and >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities". >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/gu >>>>> ides/graduation.html# >>>>> >> > community >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise >>>>> statements from >>>>> >> > the >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is >>>>> >> > following >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way" >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part >>>>> for me. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole >>>>> is >>>>> >> owning >>>>> >> > >> the >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew >>>>> Purtell >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurt...@apache.org >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is >>>>> ready for >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, >>>>> I'd >>>>> >> > >> encourage >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for >>>>> >> examples >>>>> >> > >> of >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the >>>>> result to >>>>> >> > the >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to >>>>> bring in >>>>> >> more >>>>> >> > >> RMs >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is >>>>> aware >>>>> >> of >>>>> >> > >> it. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be >>>>> read >>>>> >> > back. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John >>>>> D. Ament >>>>> >> < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndam...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or >>>>> Andrew >>>>> >> > share >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that >>>>> >> podlings >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses >>>>> the way >>>>> >> TLPs >>>>> >> > >> do. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do >>>>> also >>>>> >> > >> maintain >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, >>>>> Mnemonic >>>>> >> > can >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/ >>>>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's >>>>> on a >>>>> >> dev >>>>> >> > >> list >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on >>>>> list >>>>> >> > >> discussion, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be >>>>> >> curious >>>>> >> > to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations). >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes >>>>> ask >>>>> >> these >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about >>>>> graduation, not >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM >>>>> Patrick Hunt < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback >>>>> on the >>>>> >> most >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report? >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this >>>>> has >>>>> >> > changed >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases >>>>> have >>>>> >> been >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/ >>>>> >> incubator/March2017 >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only >>>>> >> concerns >>>>> >> > >> at >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, >>>>> Gang(Gary) >>>>> >> > >> Wang < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and >>>>> project >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the >>>>> following >>>>> >> > >> votes >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html >>>>> with >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, >>>>> >> Gang(Gary) >>>>> >> > >> Wang >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this >>>>> discussion. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and >>>>> >> continue >>>>> >> > >> to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry >>>>> users are >>>>> >> > aware >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver >>>>> unique >>>>> >> values >>>>> >> > to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us >>>>> to get >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left >>>>> for us to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our >>>>> project >>>>> >> as >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP. >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks! >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. >>>>> Ament < >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndam...@apache.org >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent >>>>> release, >>>>> >> > your >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering >>>>> what was >>>>> >> > >> left >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate? >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > -- >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards, >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe >>>>> you >>>>> >> have >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. - >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts) >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
