I reviewed the status page earlier today and it looks up to date to me. http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html
Similarly the "preparation" steps have been followed afaict: https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#graduation_check_list namesearch <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-95> etc... signed off a while ago Patrick On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote: > Let me summarize the discussion on graduation, Please refer to this email > thread for details. > > 1) We have completed the website of Mnemonic that is required before > graduation > http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ > > 2) We have filled the Apache project maturity assessment for Mnemonic and > fixed all gaps that would be helpful for graduation > https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp > -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing > > 3) Many contributed have voted +1s for this graduation > > Please add yours if any before we are starting graduation votes, Thanks! > > Cheers > Gary > > > > On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs >> >> Looks no new issues crop up for a few days, and many contributors are >> positive and voted +1s for graduation, no negative from our community, so I >> think this discussion could be settled down today and proceed to collect >> votes from our community and IPMCs for graduation, please guide us if any >> missing, misunderstanding and suggestion, Thanks! >> >> Very truly yours >> Gary >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi John, Mentors and PPMCs >>> >>> Looks we have resolved all the issues that you have pointed out for >>> graduation, meanwhile, there are more contributors +1 for our project's >>> graduation so, could we start the community graduation vote and IPMC >>> graduation vote according to the following chart extracted from >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community ? Thanks! >>> >>> [image: Inline image 1] >>> >>> Very truly yours >>> Gary >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:22 PM, Wen Tong <pures...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 support for graduation. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <hevei...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > +1 support for graduation. >>>> > >>>> > Wei HE >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the >>>> readiness >>>> >> for the graduation. >>>> >> >>>> >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following >>>> >> comments for your review, Thanks! >>>> >> >>>> >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me >>>> to >>>> >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're >>>> on >>>> >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.* >>>> >> >>>> >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using >>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of >>>> website. we >>>> >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from >>>> >> navigator menu on website. >>>> >> >>>> >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this >>>> item, from >>>> >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" >>>> which >>>> >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.* >>>> >> >>>> >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and >>>> >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP) >>>> >> >>>> >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from >>>> committers >>>> >> or from contributors. If I take >>>> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 >>>> >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an >>>> example, the >>>> >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.* >>>> >> >>>> >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages >>>> must >>>> >> contain Apache JIRA number and title. >>>> >> >>>> >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use >>>> of >>>> >> *most*)* >>>> >> >>>> >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source >>>> repository >>>> >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by >>>> mvn >>>> >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have >>>> been >>>> >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin. >>>> >> >>>> >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ >>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't >>>> include any >>>> >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ >>>> >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include >>>> download >>>> >> links to the proper release mirrors.* >>>> >> >>>> >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link >>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ >>>> >> >>>> >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).* >>>> >> >>>> >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result >>>> >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes. >>>> >> >>>> >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.* >>>> >> >>>> >> Looks no mirror link in this field. >>>> >> >>>> >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary >>>> >> releases."* >>>> >> >>>> >> Yes it is and corrected >>>> >> >>>> >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.* >>>> >> >>>> >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket >>>> MNEMONIC-357 >>>> >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved) >>>> >> >>>> >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use >>>> >> linters, sonar, etc.* >>>> >> >>>> >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project >>>> later, as >>>> >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records >>>> all bugs >>>> >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or >>>> Intellij >>>> >> IDEA to improve their code quality." >>>> >> >>>> >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security >>>> vulnerability >>>> >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm >>>> >> this.* >>>> >> >>>> >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be >>>> treated with >>>> >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are >>>> separated >>>> >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns >>>> could be >>>> >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that >>>> this >>>> >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as >>>> well. >>>> >> >>>> >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 >>>> months.* >>>> >> >>>> >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets >>>> >> >>>> >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or >>>> >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?* >>>> >> >>>> >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke >>>> them. >>>> >> >>>> >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments* >>>> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp >>>> >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing >>>> >> >>>> >> Very truly yours >>>> >> Gary >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament < >>>> johndam...@apache.org> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > Huge +1 to that. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra < >>>> henry.sapu...@gmail.com> >>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our >>>> >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are >>>> ready >>>> >> > for >>>> >> > > graduation. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > - Henry >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament < >>>> johndam...@apache.org> >>>> >> > > wrote: >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >> Hello, >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to >>>> graduate. >>>> >> > Its >>>> >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful >>>> or >>>> >> not, >>>> >> > >> but >>>> >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on >>>> the APMM >>>> >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form >>>> and >>>> >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation. >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that >>>> completing >>>> >> > this >>>> >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who >>>> think >>>> >> they >>>> >> > >> pass it may be missing things. >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that >>>> brought me to >>>> >> > >> your >>>> >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're >>>> on >>>> >> > gitbox, >>>> >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos. >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this >>>> item, >>>> >> > from >>>> >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to >>>> "centos:latest" >>>> >> > which >>>> >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3. >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from >>>> >> > committers >>>> >> > >> or from contributors. If I take >>>> >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an >>>> example, >>>> >> the >>>> >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code. >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the >>>> use of >>>> >> > >> *most*) >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ >>>> but >>>> >> that >>>> >> > >> doesn't include any download links. >>>> >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include >>>> download >>>> >> > >> links >>>> >> > >> to the proper release mirrors. >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC). >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror. >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary >>>> >> > releases." >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts. >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to >>>> use >>>> >> > >> linters, >>>> >> > >> sonar, etc. >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security >>>> vulnerability >>>> >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to >>>> confirm >>>> >> > >> this. >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 >>>> months. >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any >>>> commentary or >>>> >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that? >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> Regards, >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> John >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>> ga...@apache.org> >>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your >>>> evaluation, >>>> >> please >>>> >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks. >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome! >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> > Cheers! >>>> >> > >> > Gary >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>> ga...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> wrote: >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >> Hi John >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> Very truly yours >>>> >> > >> >> Gary >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament < >>>> >> > johndam...@apache.org >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >>> Please take a look at >>>> >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/ >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>> ga...@apache.org >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>> >>>> >> > >> >>>> Hi John >>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and >>>> then >>>> >> > review >>>> >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks! >>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours >>>> >> > >> >>>> Gary >>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>> >> > ga...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>> Hi John >>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for >>>> pointing it >>>> >> out, >>>> >> > >> we >>>> >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance. >>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>> Thanks! >>>> >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours >>>> >> > >> >>>>> Gary >>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament < >>>> >> > >> johndam...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, >>>> but >>>> >> you >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old >>>> releases >>>> >> > >> should >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> be archived. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't >>>> find >>>> >> > >> anything >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going >>>> to be >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and >>>> you'll >>>> >> > >> want >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> John >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>> >> > ga...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator >>>> in home >>>> >> > >> page, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you >>>> very much >>>> >> > for >>>> >> > >> the >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from >>>> Apache >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following >>>> web page >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github >>>> page >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page >>>> dedicated >>>> >> > for >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download >>>> Mnemonic? >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong < >>>> >> qich...@gmail.com> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC >>>> >> review, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for >>>> graduation. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this? >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model >>>> checklist >>>> >> > to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so >>>> that >>>> >> will >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better? >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" < >>>> jo...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level >>>> project . >>>> >> We >>>> >> > >> have >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community >>>> under the >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts? >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ga...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this >>>> >> Apache >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by >>>> >> > dedicated >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors >>>> from >>>> >> > Github >>>> >> > >> to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward >>>> link in >>>> >> > >> project >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected >>>> view of >>>> >> this >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito >>>> mode. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to >>>> the >>>> >> > >> team. I >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a >>>> graduation. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional >>>> RMs >>>> >> (and >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document >>>> >> release >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely >>>> addressed. >>>> >> If >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but >>>> up to >>>> >> you >>>> >> > - >>>> >> > >> do >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point? >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti >>>> Dutta < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddu...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to >>>> solve >>>> >> that >>>> >> > >> with >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had >>>> >> > >> contributions >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we >>>> will >>>> >> see >>>> >> > >> more >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick >>>> Hunt < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over >>>> the >>>> >> years >>>> >> > >> and >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted >>>> my >>>> >> main >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular >>>> "self-sustaining and >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities". >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# >>>> >> > community >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise >>>> statements from >>>> >> > the >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is >>>> >> > following >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way" >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part >>>> for me. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole >>>> is >>>> >> owning >>>> >> > >> the >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew >>>> Purtell >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurt...@apache.org >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is >>>> ready for >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, >>>> I'd >>>> >> > >> encourage >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for >>>> >> examples >>>> >> > >> of >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the >>>> result to >>>> >> > the >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to >>>> bring in >>>> >> more >>>> >> > >> RMs >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is >>>> aware >>>> >> of >>>> >> > >> it. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be >>>> read >>>> >> > back. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. >>>> Ament >>>> >> < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndam...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or >>>> Andrew >>>> >> > share >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that >>>> >> podlings >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the >>>> way >>>> >> TLPs >>>> >> > >> do. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do >>>> also >>>> >> > >> maintain >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, >>>> Mnemonic >>>> >> > can >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/ >>>> >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's >>>> on a >>>> >> dev >>>> >> > >> list >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list >>>> >> > >> discussion, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be >>>> >> curious >>>> >> > to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations). >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes >>>> ask >>>> >> these >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about >>>> graduation, not >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick >>>> Hunt < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on >>>> the >>>> >> most >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report? >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this >>>> has >>>> >> > changed >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases >>>> have >>>> >> been >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/ >>>> >> incubator/March2017 >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only >>>> >> concerns >>>> >> > >> at >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, >>>> Gang(Gary) >>>> >> > >> Wang < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and >>>> project >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the >>>> following >>>> >> > >> votes >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html >>>> with >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, >>>> >> Gang(Gary) >>>> >> > >> Wang >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this >>>> discussion. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and >>>> >> continue >>>> >> > >> to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry >>>> users are >>>> >> > aware >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique >>>> >> values >>>> >> > to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us >>>> to get >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left >>>> for us to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our >>>> project >>>> >> as >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP. >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks! >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. >>>> Ament < >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndam...@apache.org >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent >>>> release, >>>> >> > your >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering >>>> what was >>>> >> > >> left >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate? >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > -- >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards, >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe >>>> you >>>> >> have >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. - >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts) >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>>> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >>> >>> >> >
