+1 support for graduation. Thank you all contributors for the hard work and continuous efforts!
Thanks, Rakesh On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Wen Tong <pures...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 support for graduation. > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Wei HE <hevei...@gmail.com> wrote: > > +1 support for graduation. > > > > Wei HE > > > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > >> Yes, I also totally agree this and we will try our best for the > readiness > >> for the graduation. > >> > >> For the suggestion that John advised, we have prepared the following > >> comments for your review, Thanks! > >> > >> *CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought me to > >> your source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on > >> gitbox, the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos.* > >> > >> The github link has been removed from CD20 and using > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/develop/ as the link of website. > we > >> also create ticket MNEMONIC-355 (resolved) to remove Github link from > >> navigator menu on website. > >> > >> *CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this item, > from > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" > which > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3.* > >> > >> Yes, we will fix it through Apache Jira MNEMONIC-353(reviewed) and > >> MNEMONIC-356(WIP) > >> > >> *CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from > committers > >> or from contributors. If I take > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 > >> <https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60> as an example, > the > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code.* > >> > >> We have requested to revoke all stalled PRs, and all commit messages > must > >> contain Apache JIRA number and title. > >> > >> *LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use of > >> *most*)* > >> > >> Yes we will correct it with "The files in the project source repository > >> have appropriate headers", The files under target/ that generated by mvn > >> building process would be excluded and all other project files have been > >> properly licensed and guarded by RAT plugin. > >> > >> *RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ > >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/> but that doesn't include > any > >> download links. http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ > >> <http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/> does include download > >> links to the proper release mirrors.* > >> > >> That has been corrected by replacing it with the link > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ > >> > >> *RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC).* > >> > >> Yes, we started with the community vote for releasing and the result > >> explicitly shows binding and non-binding votes. > >> > >> *RE30 - Again, not using mirror.* > >> > >> Looks no mirror link in this field. > >> > >> *RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary > >> releases."* > >> > >> Yes it is and corrected > >> > >> *RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts.* > >> > >> Sorry I forgot it and corrected it by the Apache Jira ticket > MNEMONIC-357 > >> (resolved) as well as MNEMONIC-358 (resolved) > >> > >> *QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use > >> linters, sonar, etc.* > >> > >> Yes, we will investigate this plugin and apply them to project later, as > >> for now, the QU10 has been replaced with "YES. The project records all > bugs > >> in the Apache’s JIRA issue tracker. Developer also uses Eclipse or > Intellij > >> IDEA to improve their code quality." > >> > >> *QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security vulnerability > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to confirm > >> this.* > >> > >> The QU20 has been replaced with "YES. Security issues would be treated > with > >> the highest priority, computing service and memory service are separated > >> from other modules and defined by interfaces, so security concerns > could be > >> largely mitigated by introduced this design at first place.", that this > >> emphasize we consider the security aspect from design viewpoint as well. > >> > >> *QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 months.* > >> > >> We have asked owners to properly handle those tickets > >> > >> *CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary or > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that?* > >> > >> They are stalled PRs, we have asked the owner to properly revoke them. > >> > >> *The full checklist as follows for you to add comments* > >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/10LKTjPMceV4s4MrSRIA9L8pg7jLFp > >> -ec-TmW96mZbXM/edit?usp=sharing > >> > >> Very truly yours > >> Gary > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:25 PM, John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Huge +1 to that. > >> > > >> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 5:18 PM Henry Saputra < > henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > The "checklist" suppose to just provide guide for readiness our > >> > > graduation. It was NOT mandatory checklist. > >> > > > >> > > This should be used primarily for self check to make sure we are > ready > >> > for > >> > > graduation. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > - Henry > >> > > > >> > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:50 PM, John D. Ament < > johndam...@apache.org> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> Hello, > >> > >> > >> > >> So first, I'll say its always great to see a podling aim to > graduate. > >> > Its > >> > >> not up to me to measure whether the podling has been successful or > >> not, > >> > >> but > >> > >> instead the IPMC as a whole. I can give you some feedback on the > APMM > >> > >> assessment, but I'll point out that I'm not a fan of this form and > >> > >> completing this form is not a requirement for graduation. > >> > >> > >> > >> So please, when reviewing the below list, understand that > completing > >> > this > >> > >> is not a requirement for graduation. Even then, podlings who think > >> they > >> > >> pass it may be missing things. > >> > >> > >> > >> CD20 - You have a link in your header called GITHUB that brought > me to > >> > >> your > >> > >> source code. Other projects use hacking guides. Unless you're on > >> > gitbox, > >> > >> the git primary repo should be the ASF hosted repos. > >> > >> > >> > >> CD30 - The usage of docker is in of itself a violation of this > item, > >> > from > >> > >> my point of view. In your case, you're pointing to "centos:latest" > >> > which > >> > >> today is C7.2, but in a few months will be C7.3. > >> > >> > >> > >> CD50 - I can't tell if the pull requests to your repo are from > >> > committers > >> > >> or from contributors. If I take > >> > >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/pull/60 as an > example, > >> the > >> > >> commit message says nothing about provenance of the source code. > >> > >> > >> > >> LC50 - You mention in your response why this is incorrect (the use > of > >> > >> *most*) > >> > >> > >> > >> RE10 - You link to http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/news/ but > >> that > >> > >> doesn't include any download links. > >> > >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/downloads/ does include > download > >> > >> links > >> > >> to the proper release mirrors. > >> > >> > >> > >> RE20 - You mention non-PMC members in the vote (PPMC). > >> > >> > >> > >> RE30 - Again, not using mirror. > >> > >> > >> > >> RE40 - Correct answer would be "NO. We do not distribute binary > >> > releases." > >> > >> > >> > >> RE50 - Your release process neglects deleting old artifacts. > >> > >> > >> > >> QU10 - Code quality is more than bug reports. You may want to use > >> > >> linters, > >> > >> sonar, etc. > >> > >> > >> > >> QU20 - This is only achievable if you've had a security > vulnerability > >> > >> reported. If you haven't had one reported, there's no way to > confirm > >> > >> this. > >> > >> > >> > >> QU50 - I see that MNEMONIC-203/217 have been open for around 6 > months. > >> > >> > >> > >> CO10 - Github shows two pull requests open without any commentary > or > >> > >> questions from the project's committers. Why is that? > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi John, Our Mentors and PPMCs > >> > >> > > >> > >> > We have prepared Apache Maturity checklist for your evaluation, > >> please > >> > >> > guide us to graduate our project, thanks. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > All comments and suggestions are welcome! > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Cheers! > >> > >> > Gary > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < > ga...@apache.org> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> Hi John > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Fixed it, Thank you for reminding me > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours > >> > >> >> Gary > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM, John D. Ament < > >> > johndam...@apache.org > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> wrote: > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>> Please take a look at > >> > >> >>> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/mnemonic/ > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:55 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < > ga...@apache.org > >> > > >> > >> >>> wrote: > >> > >> >>> > >> > >> >>>> Hi John > >> > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> This issue has been fixed please refresh your browser and then > >> > review > >> > >> >>>> it, Thanks! > >> > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> Very truly yours > >> > >> >>>> Gary > >> > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Gang(Gary) Wang < > >> > ga...@apache.org> > >> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> > >> >>>> > >> > >> >>>>> Hi John > >> > >> >>>>> > >> > >> >>>>> I didn't realize that and thank you very much for pointing it > >> out, > >> > >> we > >> > >> >>>>> will correct this according to your guidance. > >> > >> >>>>> > >> > >> >>>>> Thanks! > >> > >> >>>>> Very truly yours > >> > >> >>>>> Gary > >> > >> >>>>> > >> > >> >>>>> > >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:54 AM, John D. Ament < > >> > >> johndam...@apache.org> > >> > >> >>>>> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>> Thanks, but you're still out of compliance. > >> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>> - You're linking directly to your un-mirrored artifacts, but > >> you > >> > >> >>>>>> should be linking to your mirrored artifacts. > >> > >> >>>>>> - You have not cleaned up your old releases, your old > releases > >> > >> should > >> > >> >>>>>> be archived. > >> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>> Now here's the catch - we require mirroring but I can't find > >> > >> anything > >> > >> >>>>>> saying what the mirroring URL is. The format is going to be > >> > >> >>>>>> http://apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/incubator/mnemonic and > you'll > >> > >> want > >> > >> >>>>>> to grab your specific version from there. > >> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>> John > >> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 9:31 PM Gang(Gary) Wang < > >> > ga...@apache.org> > >> > >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>> Hi John, > >> > >> >>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>> The Download menu item has been added to the navigator in > home > >> > >> page, > >> > >> >>>>>>> Please refresh your browser to review it, Thank you very > much > >> > for > >> > >> the > >> > >> >>>>>>> suggestion. > >> > >> >>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>> Very truly yours > >> > >> >>>>>>> Gary > >> > >> >>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < > >> > >> ga...@apache.org> > >> > >> >>>>>>> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi John, > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> You can download all versions of the package from Apache > >> > >> >>>>>>>> distribution site that is linked from the following web > page > >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> Also, we can download them from Apache Mirrored Github > page > >> > >> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-mnemonic/releases > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> We could add another menu item on top of home page > dedicated > >> > for > >> > >> >>>>>>>> downloading the latest one. > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> Thanks! > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> Very truly yours > >> > >> >>>>>>>> Gary > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:40 PM, John D. Ament < > >> > >> >>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> I'm looking at your website. How do I download Mnemonic? > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> John > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:37 PM Gary Wong < > >> qich...@gmail.com> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Uma > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, We are going to send out this checklist for PPMC > >> review, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the guidance. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Very truly yours > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gary > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Gangumalla, Uma < > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> uma.ganguma...@intel.com> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IMO, Mnemonic project doing good and ready for > graduation. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> What is the mentors call on this? > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember many other projects do Maturity model > checklist > >> > to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> check where > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> we are? Gary/John do you mind ready that sheet, so that > >> will > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> help to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> assess better? > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Uma > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 8/16/17, 12:46 PM, "Johnu George" <jo...@apache.org > > > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >It seems that we are ready to be a top level project . > >> We > >> > >> have > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a stable > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >release and we work well as a apache community under > the > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> guidance of our > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >mentors. Any thoughts? > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gang(Gary) Wang < > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ga...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Dear John and Patrick, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Thank you for the guidance, we have completed the > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> construction of > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Website recently according to your feedback, this > >> Apache > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> server hosted > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> website will be kept up to date and maintained by > >> > dedicated > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> community > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> members. we also have redirected the visitors from > >> > Github > >> > >> to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> our Apache > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> server hosted website by providing a forward link in > >> > >> project > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> README.md > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> file. Please review it as follows. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://mnemonic.incubator.apache.org/ > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Note: the browser cache may cause unexpected view of > >> this > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> website, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>please > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> clear browser cache or visit it in incognito mode. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Very truly yours. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> Gary > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:04 PM, John D. Ament < > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> johndam...@apache.org> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > Hi patrick, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I recently raised an issue with the website to the > >> > >> team. I > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> personally > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > would like to see that fixed before a graduation. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically saying > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> that > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > you need to learn it from github. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > John > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:15 PM Patrick Hunt < > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Given the recent work to bring on additional RMs > >> (and > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> increase > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> community > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > involvement in general) and clearly document > >> release > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> procedures I > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>feel > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > that > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > my previous concerns have been largely > addressed. > >> If > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> there is > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>interest > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > the community I would now be in favor, but up to > >> you > >> > - > >> > >> do > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you feel > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> you're > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > ready to graduate at this point? > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Regards, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > Patrick > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Debojyoti Dutta > < > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ddu...@apache.org> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On the diversity issue, we are trying to solve > >> that > >> > >> with > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> new > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> committers > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> from different organizations. We have had > >> > >> contributions > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> from other > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> companies like Cisco recently. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> This space is about to heat up soon and we will > >> see > >> > >> more > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>committers. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> cheers > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> debo > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Patrick Hunt < > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > I've mentored a number of podlings over the > >> years > >> > >> and > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this one if > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> very > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> well > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > run and is on a good trajectory. As noted my > >> main > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> concern is > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>about > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > diversity - in particular "self-sustaining > and > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> self-governing > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> communities". > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html# > >> > community > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > That's pretty clear and concise statements > from > >> > the > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>community > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > as > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> a > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > whole as to what it takes. The podling is > >> > following > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "the apache > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>way" > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> quite > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well, so it's really the sustaining part for > me. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ensuring that > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> community is > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > being built and the community as a whole is > >> owning > >> > >> the > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> process. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Hope this helps, regards, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Patrick > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Andrew > Purtell > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >><apurt...@apache.org > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > For me the best test if a podling is ready > for > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation is > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>they > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> do > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> it > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > (mostly) for themselves. So, Mnemonic, I'd > >> > >> encourage > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> you to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>search > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > through > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > the incubator mailing list archives for > >> examples > >> > >> of > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> other > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>podlings > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > running > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > a graduation vote and submitting the > result to > >> > the > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> IPMC. Then, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>do > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > it. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > I'm glad to see the recent move to bring in > >> more > >> > >> RMs > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> in > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>response > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > earlier feedback, now that everyone is > aware > >> of > >> > >> it. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> didn't > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> think > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > that the incubator report might not be read > >> > back. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, John D. > Ament > >> < > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > johndam...@apache.org> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Patrick, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I read it. I'm curious, did you or Andrew > >> > share > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> your feedback > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> with > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> Mnemonic directly? I've noticed that > >> podlings > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes don't > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> see > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> the > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> input, and don't receive responses the way > >> TLPs > >> > >> do. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> For the podling's information, we do also > >> > >> maintain > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> a whimsy > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>page > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> of > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> all > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> approved board reports per project, > Mnemonic > >> > can > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see that > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > information > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> here: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> https://whimsy.apache.org/ > >> > board/minutes/Mnemonic > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> When I see a podling receiving 5 +1's on a > >> dev > >> > >> list > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> release > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>vote, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > that's a > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> great sign. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> There probably is room for more on list > >> > >> discussion, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> and yes > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>the > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > committer > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> diversity isn't 100% there (I would be > >> curious > >> > to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> see company > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> affiliations). > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> I'll also point out that I sometimes ask > >> these > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> questions to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > podlings > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> them to start thinking about graduation, > not > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> actually moving > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > forward > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> yet > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> due to $reasons. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 2:58 PM Patrick > Hunt < > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> ph...@apache.org> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Hi John, did you read my feedback on the > >> most > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> recent podling > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> report? > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > Do > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > you disagree? I don't believe this has > >> > changed > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>significantly in > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > past > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > month/two. For example all releases have > >> been > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> done by a > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>single > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> person. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > https://wiki.apache.org/ > >> incubator/March2017 > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > As I've mentioned previously my only > >> concerns > >> > >> at > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> this point > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>are > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> around > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > diversity. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > Patrick > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 11:07 AM, > Gang(Gary) > >> > >> Wang < > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > ga...@apache.org > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Hi John and PPMCs > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> As John advised, our community and > project > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic might > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>be > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ready to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> graduated, I'd like to start the > following > >> > >> votes > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> according > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > the > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> processes > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> of > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html > with > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> your > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> mentoring > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> and guidance if no objection today > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - Community graduation vote > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> - IPMC recommendation vote > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Mnemonic Project Incubation Status > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mnemonic.html > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> Very truly yours > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> +Gary > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, > >> Gang(Gary) > >> > >> Wang > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> < > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> ga...@apache.org> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Hi John > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thank you for starting this > discussion. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Yes, our community is growing and > >> continue > >> > >> to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> attract > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>more > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> people > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> join > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > our community. Some industry users > are > >> > aware > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of mnemonic > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>and > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > already > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> get > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > interested as i known. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Mnemonic is able to deliver unique > >> values > >> > to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> their > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>business > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > so I > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> think > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > that it is very important for us to > get > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> mnemonic > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>graduated > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> in > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> time > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > if > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > qualified. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > My 2 cents, looks nothing left for > us to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduate > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>Mnemonic, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > I'm > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > also > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > looking forward to propose our > project > >> as > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Apache TLP. > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks! > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Very truly yours > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > Gary > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > On Tuesday, May 2, 2017, John D. > Ament < > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> johndam...@apache.org > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > Hi Mnemonic PPMC, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > After looking at your recent > release, > >> > your > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> current > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>growth > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > and > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > well > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > functioning PPMC, was wondering what > was > >> > >> left > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> for you > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>guys > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> to > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> graduate? > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > John > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > -- > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Best regards, > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > - Andy > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > If you are given a choice, you believe you > >> have > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> acted freely. - > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> Raymond > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > Teller (via Peter Watts) > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>>>> > >> > >> >>>>> > >> > >> >>>> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> >
