Greetings,

I've been lurking on this list for a while.  And I've followed the
current discussion with great interest -- I was involved in one
relationship where, to my horror, I discovered I was a batterer.
That was in college, I've undergone a couple of courses of therapy,
and no relapse (yet, 20 years).  My partner had (before me) an
abusive relationship where she was battered, and another one after
me.  I suppose she's a statistical anomaly (as are we all).  I'm in a
slightly unusual position as a male in that I've also been the victim
of male sexual battery myself, as a child.

So.

No doctorate, no sociological data, but one element I've not heard in
this discussion is the importance of self-esteem, of the lack of
self-worth, as a factor in male violence against women.  And indeed,
in other areas of intimate violence, such as violence from men/women
to their children.

I am not surprised to hear that counseling men alone does not achieve
results:  anyone in a college course on family counseling could
predict that.  Men are members of peer groups as are we all -- the
problems are systemic, that is, they transcend the individual.  Does
this mean we can't even address the problem before Patriarchy is
overturned?

I would argue that there is much that can be done, locally, as it
were.  If people feel good about themselves, they are unlikely to
engage in behaviour which makes them loathe themselves.  And vice
versa.

I don't mean to suggest that Patriarchy should not be overturned!
Far from it.  Only that if *that* is the only hope for saving women
from domestic violence, then in the meantime they had better arm
themselves, since that is going to be a long-term process (especially
in some parts of the world).  And I don't advocate more handguns.

But shouldn't advocates also be looking at and working with the peer
groups, the very specific familial, cultural, and economic pressures
which are abusing the abuser?

My abuser is dead, he took his life, half a hemisphere away and a
year or so ago.  I am still alive to say my view, and I'm hoping we
can find a useful approach short of that solution.

Thanks for a most important discussion.

sincerely,
Chris



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