Don't presume that all the automakers have similar interests to put themselves 
at an advantage over their competitors. And don't forget there are other 
interests in there, too.

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> On Jul 29, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Lee Hart via EV <> wrote:
> Dennis Miles via EV wrote:
>> Because, Marion, the fool cell gives the least pollution at the vehicle.
>> (And the manufacturers want the carbon credits, and Is, I have been told,
>> the refining or conversion, of methane to hydrogen, is done in an
>> unregulated location, not in the motor vehicle.)
> Exactly. Regulations can instigate changes. But exactly *how* the regulations 
> get written is vitally important in what kinds of changes get implemented.
> Years ago, gas water heaters had a standing pilot light. The pilot used a 
> small amount of gas, but the heat from the pilot was still going up the flue, 
> and still heating the water. The pilot had other side benefits, like keeping 
> the burner dry and free of bugs and mice, improving safety, and lowering cost.
> The government made it clear that they were going to implement efficiency 
> standards, with or without industry's help. So the water heater manufacturers 
> did a clever thing. They WROTE the regulations for the government. The 
> regulations eliminated the standing pilot light, and mandated a more complex 
> and expensive electronic ignition system. They also carefully made sure that 
> the energy used by the ignition system was NOT counted when calculating the 
> efficiency of the water heater. They also reduced the expected life of a 
> water heater to HALF of what it had formerly been (20 years was reduced to 10 
> years typical).
> The result was that a) water heaters cost more, b) lasted a shorter time, and 
> c) could advertise higher efficiency, but not deliver it if you counted the 
> energy used by the new ignition system and blowers. These measure had the 
> effect of DOUBLING the profit on water heaters, which up until then had been 
> a stagnant low-profit industry.
> The auto companies are equally clever. I think they have figured out that if 
> they stop fighting CARB, and instead *write* the regulations, they can rig 
> the standards to favor themselves, and put other solutions (like EVs) at a 
> competitive disadvantage.
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