I'd never lease a battery.  Property that is rent/leased has no value to
the leasor and is hardly every treated with respect that an owner would
use.  Take a look at any rental property and see plenty of examples of
abuse.

It succumbs to the worse ailments of human behavior.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: EV [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Ross via
EV
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 1:33 PM
To: Dan Baker; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Battery Swap - the stupid idea that wont die...

Really, home charging is the best idea of all.  I think the swap is mostly
eyewash for people used to having to go out for their fuel.  That and for
long voyages.

There are some advantages to leasing packs - put their care and feeding
more in the hands of the manufacturer.

I can imagine "tow trucks" like a roll back, with a battery swapper in the
bed.  You call AAA and they have the tow truck pick up a correct pack and
bring it to you for swapping.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Dan Baker via EV <[email protected]>
wrote:

> That's a pretty impressive video.  Maybe they can build the robotics
> for the home user so the plug can find the charge port by itself...
> :-) Seriously in the future this technology will be needed when EV use
> becomes dominant.  If you spent any time around a busy gas station on
> a Thursday evening before the price goes up (our gas prices are
> regulated to change usually on a Friday) you would see why the time to
> swap vs time to charge makes complete sense.  As mentioned, Battery
> packs could be equipped with a small BMS to measure usage or abuse and
pro-rate themselves.
> Standardization will be key here and Musk has taken the steps toward
> that direction with dispelling a lot of their patents. If automotive
> engineers can standardize on the components to fill an ICE vehicle why
> can't it be done for the EV?
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:36 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 13 Mar 2015 at 0:46, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
> >
> > > sounds like you haven't seen the ...Tesla battery swap.
> >
> > I hadn't, but now I have.  Impressive!  ;-)
> >
> > And (from what he's saying) that's with the battery bolted in place,
> rather
> > than using some kind of quick-snug fasteners.
> >
> > If only Tesla's battery exchange stations were compatible with every
> > EV
> out
> > there.  But from what I understand, even if another EV were to
> > develop an identical battery configuration, Tesla's stations
> > wouldn't be open to anyone but Tesla owners.  Understandably so,
> > since they pay for their use of at least Tesla's chargers, and
> > presumably part of their battery exchange costs, up front in the
> > cost of the car.
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