I'm no fan of the utilities, but that's not a fair criticism. The change and uptake of the technology was unexpected and quick, and could not have been predicted when the infrastructure was built.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2018, at 5:17 AM, Michael Ross via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > " Our City Council had to really squeeze the utility to get capacity > increased to handle the loads." > > You might say that the electric utilities are crashing the grid by not > recognizing the need to respond to change. EV use will grow, but not too > quickly - in the present when the electric grid should be trying to keep > pace it is not, because of intransigence and the influence of established > interests. > > Short term, stockholders may see better returns, but long term building now > would pay off even better. That is not how the market and finance seems to > work these days. Instead it is let's bundle some paper and charge some > fees; not let's rebuild, reinforce and improve infrastructure. > > BentMIke > > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> You paint too broad a brush. >> >> There have been *serious* problems as new technologies have drawn from the >> grid and increased useage. >> >> As plasma and other big screen TVs got big, various parts of my city had >> serious issues with power outages, as the system wasn't designed for those >> loads. And these weren't areas that had been there for 100 years. >> Relatively new housing developments had continuing power problems. Our >> City Council had to really squeeze the utility to get capacity increased to >> handle the loads. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 1, 2018, at 7:33 PM, Thos True via EV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Peri & All, >>> >>> I recall addressing this fear about a decade ago when it the fear was >> being >>> pushed by mainstream media. >>> The reality is no different than events that have occurred many times >> since >>> the inception of the electrical grid. It is interesting that the >> utilities >>> seem to do their best to avoid this conversation. >>> Some that we might recall were the fears about every house having a >>> refrigerator and washing machine, then it was the clothes dryer, followed >>> by microwave ovens & hand held appliances and the hot tub craze, followed >>> by the air conditioner installations. The air conditioners do have a >>> noticeable effect on the grid due to a few factors (1. Grid already >>> stressed due to over heating. 2. Large numbers in a region using the >> device >>> at the same time (large, continuous inrush currents). 3. Extended periods >>> of load for each device (in excess of 4 hours each).) >>> The previous example share the relatively short, staggered inrush current >>> events, followed by lower power demands, which are barely noticeable, >>> according to the utilities themselves, since most L2 units use the same >>> amount of power per use as the average clothes dryer. >>> >>> Tom True >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think this article raises a good question, though I don't really think >>>> it answers it. Currently, yes, the grid isn't significantly impacted. >> But >>>> what about if we had 100% EVs. What about local and long haul trucking? >>>> What about other ICE powered equipment, e.g. earth movers, etc.? What >> about >>>> generation capacity as well as distribution capacity? >>>> >>>> Personally, our EV boosted our electricity consumption by about 10%. I >>>> don't know how that number compares in general as, even with our EV, our >>>> electricity usage is below the national average. Even so, that's only >>>> accounting for residential EVs. Commercial and industrial electricity >> usage >>>> is much higher than residential. Is that enough to coincidentally >> assume a >>>> 10% figure for non residential EV charging? If this pans out to be >>>> reasonably true, it would seem that EVs will not, long term, cause a >>>> significant drain on our generation capacity, if any at all (considering >>>> time of use). >>>> >>>> For distribution, yes, we clearly can't have everyone charging their EVs >>>> at 5:30pm. But, as we move more and more to renewables, we'll need grid >>>> storage anyway and, using the "10% rule", EVs won't be a significant >>>> factor. The significant factor will be how to get Nevada solar to the >>>> cloudy Pacific NW or to get Texas wind to sticky South Carolina. And >> how to >>>> store several days worth to even out nature's effects. >>>> >>>> Does anyone have real numbers of the effects of 100% EVs on generation >> and >>>> distribution? >>>> >>>> Peri >>>> >>>> https://www.nrdc.org/experts/noah-garcia/good-news-evs-are-n >>>> ot-crashing-grid >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "brucedp5 via EV" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Cc: "brucedp5" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: 30-Dec-17 10:08:53 PM >>>> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20171226 >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble. >>>>> com/EVLN-Tesla-3-EV-handling-snow-covered-rutted-off-road- >>>>> track-on-standard-tires-v-tp4689040.html >>>>> EVLN: Tesla-3 EV handling snow-covered rutted off-road track on >> standard >>>>> tires (v) >>>>> The current versions of Tesla's flagship vehicles control power to all >>>>> four >>>>> wheels through dual independently operated electric motors, providing >>>>> unparalleled traction in even the worst of winter conditions. Short of >>>>> driving your Tesla through a snow-covered off-road track with deep, >> muddy >>>>> ruts, Model S and Model X's ... >>>>> >>>>> + >>>>> https://www.teslarati.com/verne-troyer-tesla-model-s- >> kids-unboxing-video/ >>>>> Verne Troyer just got a Tesla Model S for Kids and says it’s a beast >>>>> December 28, 2017 Not long after, Troyer began his “unboxing” of the >>>>> Model >>>>> S for Kids, where he gave a surprisingly complete rundown of the >> miniature >>>>> vehicle's features. During the course of the video, Troyer showed off >> the >>>>> miniature car's frunk, Tesla-branded charger, and its battery pack. The >>>>> Austin Powers star also took ... >>>>> https://youtu.be/6K_nTNvyTtE >>>>> >>>>> https://www.nrdc.org/experts/noah-garcia/good-news-evs-are-n >>>>> ot-crashing-grid >>>>> Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid >>>>> Dec 27, 2017 First, despite fears that EVs would overwhelm the >> existing >>>>> electric grid infrastructure, only a very minor fraction of them―0.19 >>>>> percent―have actually necessitated distribution system or service line >>>>> upgrades. Moreover, this data point has translated to relatively low >>>>> levels >>>>> of EV-related spending on grid maintenance: of the $5 ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: >>>>> http://evdl.org/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> {brucedp.neocities.org} >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4. >> nabble.com/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group >>>>> /NEDRA) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group >>>> /NEDRA) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass >> is >>> merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ >> attachments/20180101/107ec2ce/attachment.html> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ >> group/NEDRA) >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ >> group/NEDRA) > > > -- > Michael E. 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