This statement, as written, is dubious. All flat screen TV's except plasma use less electricity than the older CRT sets did - a 50" LED set uses less electricity than a 30" CRT. Plasma is comparable to CRT, but plasma TVs never really had a lot of market share, even in their brief heyday. What's more, the total energy usage by TV sets is minimal compared to HVAC, refrigeration, cooktops, etc. I think someone's leg was being pulled.
On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > You paint too broad a brush. > > There have been *serious* problems as new technologies have drawn from the > grid and increased useage. > > As plasma and other big screen TVs got big, various parts of my city had > serious issues with power outages, as the system wasn't designed for those > loads. And these weren't areas that had been there for 100 years. > Relatively new housing developments had continuing power problems. Our > City Council had to really squeeze the utility to get capacity increased to > handle the loads. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 1, 2018, at 7:33 PM, Thos True via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Peri & All, > > > > I recall addressing this fear about a decade ago when it the fear was > being > > pushed by mainstream media. > > The reality is no different than events that have occurred many times > since > > the inception of the electrical grid. It is interesting that the > utilities > > seem to do their best to avoid this conversation. > > Some that we might recall were the fears about every house having a > > refrigerator and washing machine, then it was the clothes dryer, followed > > by microwave ovens & hand held appliances and the hot tub craze, followed > > by the air conditioner installations. The air conditioners do have a > > noticeable effect on the grid due to a few factors (1. Grid already > > stressed due to over heating. 2. Large numbers in a region using the > device > > at the same time (large, continuous inrush currents). 3. Extended periods > > of load for each device (in excess of 4 hours each).) > > The previous example share the relatively short, staggered inrush current > > events, followed by lower power demands, which are barely noticeable, > > according to the utilities themselves, since most L2 units use the same > > amount of power per use as the average clothes dryer. > > > > Tom True > > > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> I think this article raises a good question, though I don't really think > >> it answers it. Currently, yes, the grid isn't significantly impacted. > But > >> what about if we had 100% EVs. What about local and long haul trucking? > >> What about other ICE powered equipment, e.g. earth movers, etc.? What > about > >> generation capacity as well as distribution capacity? > >> > >> Personally, our EV boosted our electricity consumption by about 10%. I > >> don't know how that number compares in general as, even with our EV, our > >> electricity usage is below the national average. Even so, that's only > >> accounting for residential EVs. Commercial and industrial electricity > usage > >> is much higher than residential. Is that enough to coincidentally > assume a > >> 10% figure for non residential EV charging? If this pans out to be > >> reasonably true, it would seem that EVs will not, long term, cause a > >> significant drain on our generation capacity, if any at all (considering > >> time of use). > >> > >> For distribution, yes, we clearly can't have everyone charging their EVs > >> at 5:30pm. But, as we move more and more to renewables, we'll need grid > >> storage anyway and, using the "10% rule", EVs won't be a significant > >> factor. The significant factor will be how to get Nevada solar to the > >> cloudy Pacific NW or to get Texas wind to sticky South Carolina. And > how to > >> store several days worth to even out nature's effects. > >> > >> Does anyone have real numbers of the effects of 100% EVs on generation > and > >> distribution? > >> > >> Peri > >> > >> https://www.nrdc.org/experts/noah-garcia/good-news-evs-are-n > >> ot-crashing-grid > >> > >> ------ Original Message ------ > >> From: "brucedp5 via EV" <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Cc: "brucedp5" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: 30-Dec-17 10:08:53 PM > >> Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20171226 > >> > >> > >>> > >>> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble. > >>> com/EVLN-Tesla-3-EV-handling-snow-covered-rutted-off-road- > >>> track-on-standard-tires-v-tp4689040.html > >>> EVLN: Tesla-3 EV handling snow-covered rutted off-road track on > standard > >>> tires (v) > >>> The current versions of Tesla's flagship vehicles control power to all > >>> four > >>> wheels through dual independently operated electric motors, providing > >>> unparalleled traction in even the worst of winter conditions. Short of > >>> driving your Tesla through a snow-covered off-road track with deep, > muddy > >>> ruts, Model S and Model X's ... > >>> > >>> + > >>> https://www.teslarati.com/verne-troyer-tesla-model-s- > kids-unboxing-video/ > >>> Verne Troyer just got a Tesla Model S for Kids and says it’s a beast > >>> December 28, 2017 Not long after, Troyer began his “unboxing” of the > >>> Model > >>> S for Kids, where he gave a surprisingly complete rundown of the > miniature > >>> vehicle's features. During the course of the video, Troyer showed off > the > >>> miniature car's frunk, Tesla-branded charger, and its battery pack. The > >>> Austin Powers star also took ... > >>> https://youtu.be/6K_nTNvyTtE > >>> > >>> https://www.nrdc.org/experts/noah-garcia/good-news-evs-are-n > >>> ot-crashing-grid > >>> Good News: EVs Are Not Crashing the Grid > >>> Dec 27, 2017 First, despite fears that EVs would overwhelm the > existing > >>> electric grid infrastructure, only a very minor fraction of them―0.19 > >>> percent―have actually necessitated distribution system or service line > >>> upgrades. Moreover, this data point has translated to relatively low > >>> levels > >>> of EV-related spending on grid maintenance: of the $5 ... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use: > >>> http://evdl.org/archive/ > >>> > >>> > >>> {brucedp.neocities.org} > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent from: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4. > nabble.com/ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >>> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >>> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group > >>> /NEDRA) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >> Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group > >> /NEDRA) > > > > > > -- > > Remember, it is not that the glass is half empty, in reality, the glass > is > > merely twice the size that it needs to be! -TNT'82 > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/ > attachments/20180101/107ec2ce/attachment.html> > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/ > group/NEDRA) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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