And Toyota quit making them as soon as California repealed the zero emissions 
law along with all the other car makers. The law was the only reason they made 
electric vehicles 

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> On Jun 19, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> What an incredibly negative and blanket statement, and in my humble opinion, 
> false. 
> 
> Let’s start with the RAV4-EV that still is popular despite battery packs that 
> are past their useful life.
> 
> Not only did this vehicle meet the needs of many in the EV community, it 
> exceeded them. Many of us that wanted them couldn’t get them. And despite 
> being expensive to start with, several years after release, these cars were 
> being sold at prices *significantly* above their brand new price.
> 
> Do I need to continue?
> 
> Frankly, if your statement were true, there would be no EV market today. Yes, 
> Tesla has sparked a lot of interest and moved the industry miles ahead, but 
> even without, vehicles were being developed, produced and sold that met the 
> needs of some. And only because those vehicles met the needs of at least some.
> 
> And I haven’t even yet mentioned the “other” EV, fuel cell electric vehicles. 
> We’ve had three in our family, all from an ICE manufacturer, which have met 
> *our* needs, and I just replaced one with another because I liked it so much. 
> My wife is ready for a new car, and she will replace the one she has (and has 
> loved), with one of the two flavors of EVs, and whichever flavor she chooses, 
> it will almost assuredly be produced by an ICE manufacturer.
> 
> - Mark
> 
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:10 AM, Willie via EV <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> History has told us it is a very big mistake to expect an ICE manufacturer 
>> to fulfill any needs of the EV community.
> 
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