On 21 Jul 2011, at 17:59, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/21/2011 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Jul 2011, at 00:14, meekerdb wrote:
On 7/20/2011 2:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
What does consciousness require?
Interaction with the world.
But what is a world? Also, assuming computationalism, you need only
to believe that you interact with a "world/reality", whatever that
is, like in dream. If not you *do* introduce some magic in both
consciousness and world.
So I need to believe some magic or I have to introduce some magic.
That seems a distinction without a difference.
With comp the only magic is 0, 1, 2, 3, + addition + multiplication.
With non-comp the magic is primitive matter + primitive physical laws
+ primitive consciousness + non intelligible links between all those
Information processing. Memory. A point of view; i.e. model of
the world including self. Purpose/values.
OK. Although "conscious purpose" is already a high form of
consciousness, it might be self-consciousness.
I think there are different kinds and levels of consciousness,
awareness, cogitation. Purpose need not be something reflected on.
Even simple animals have purpose hardwired in their genes.
OK. I was talking on the conscious purpose. Not on God, or Matter
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