On 01.09.2011 05:14 Stathis Papaioannou said the following:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi<use...@rudnyi.ru>

The subject feels he initiates and has control over the
voluntary movement but not the involuntary movement. That's the
difference between them. Both types of movement, however, are
completely determined by the low level behaviour of the matter in
the brain, which can in theory be modeled by a computer. No
particle moves unless it is pushed by another particle or force,
otherwise it's magic, like a table levitating.

I would appreciate if you could be more specific about the
mechanism on how movement of atoms leads for example to creation of
a book about consciousness. Such a book is after all just a
collection of atoms, this is true. For me however a self-assembly
of such a book is just a magic.

The atoms have to move in order to write the book. They have to move
inside the brain of the author, then his hands have to move, the
keys on the computer keyboard move, and so on. Also, things have to
happen prior to the book being written. The universe arises, stars
and planets form, life evolves, the author is born, photons from
books he has read on consciousness impact on his retina which then
leads to reactions in his visual cortex and language centre. It's all
very complex, of course, but there is a causal chain of events. If

Well, this was my question, to specify this casual chain of events. Especially how movement of atoms creates conscious experience. Otherwise this is just a matter of belief.

you had the right physical theory and enough computing power you
could start with the Big Bang, run a computer simulation and end up
with the book. Quantum mechanics does not preclude such a

This is also just a matter of belief, as you cannot prove it.

I like more science based on experimental studies. From such a viewpoint, all we can say now is that we do not know this. Or can you prove your viewpoint based on empirical studies?


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