2011/11/6 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > Quentin, > > On 30 Oct 2011, at 23:51, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > benjayk: >> On the other hand, I don't see why we would ignore immortality of >> consciousness, considering that the "I" is just a psychosocial >> construct/illusion anyway. We don't find an actual "I" anywhere. It seems >> very relevant to know that the actual essence of experience can indeed >> survive eternally. Why would I care whether an imagined "I" experiences it >> or not? >> >> How would you call this, if not immortality? > > > Death. > > > > Quentin, > > Could you imagine making a dream where you are someone else? > > Can you imagine waking up, and remembering your life as a dream, and at > the same time remembering "the" previous life? >
Yes, but and I can accept that as a form of continuation of my life *but* contrary to benjayk example... you *remember* that life even as a dream. > > I think we can dissociate from memories. I think we can identifying our > identity, if I can say, with something deeper than the memories. > Sure but if there are no memories left, there is nothing left for "immortality". > > Memories are important, if only to avoid painful loops, and to progress, > which is the making of histories. But like bodies, it makes sense that we > own them, we are not them, I mean, not necessarily are we them. > Without them anybody is anybody, and it's meaningless to talk about immortality in that context. Quentin. > > We might be more our possible values, than the past local necessities. We > might be more what we do with the memories than the memories themselves, > which are very contingent and local. > > Perhaps we should allow ourselves thought experiences with amnesia, and > dissociation. We practice dissociation and re-association all night, but > usually we forget all of this. > > Who are we? > > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
