On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote:

  "An apple isn't an apple unless an *actual* worm can live in it."

A simulated apple is a perfectly real and objective phenomenon, it's true
that a real worm can't live in one but a simulated worm can. It's important
not to confuse levels however, a simulated flame won't burn your computer
but it will burn a simulated object. A real flame won't burn the laws of
chemistry but it will burn your finger. And some things cross all levels,
like information processing; there is no difference between simulated
arithmetic and real arithmetic or between simulated intelligence and real

  John K Clark

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