# Re: Ontological Problems of COMP

```On 2/6/2012 1:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On 05 Feb 2012, at 21:32, meekerdb wrote:

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```On 2/5/2012 8:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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No. All universal numbers can interpret a number as a function on quantities, or as properties on quantities, which are not quantities themselves. Universal numbers can also transform, or interpret numbers as transformation of transformation, properties of properties, up in the constructive transfinite, etc. When the quantities can add and multiply, soon their attributes are beyond all quantities, and LĂ¶bian quantities are arguably already knowing that about themselves.
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I don't understand this. Maybe I don't know what universal number is. I thought it was a number whose representation in digits was such that every number appeared in the representation. But I don't understand how such number does things: transform, interpret,...
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Let phi_i be an enumeration of the (partial and total) computable functions
from N to N.
Let <x,y> be a bijection from NXN to N.

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A universal number u is a number u such that, for all x and y, we have phi_u(<x,y>) = phi_x(y). The equality means that the LHS and RHS are either both defined and equal, or both undefined.
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Thanks. So it is not literally that the number does things, it just picks out the function that is universal for a given bijection and a given enumeration of the functions.
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Brent

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u, applied on x and y simulate the machine x on the input y. u is called the computer, x the program (the machine to be emulated), and y is the datum/data. u interpret x as a machine, and it simulates x behavior on the input y.
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You can see it as the number-code of a universal machine or programming language interpreter.
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u depends on the choice of the bijection and of the phi_i base, but if you choose (N, +, *) as a universal system, you can make it intrinsic, and for any bijection, you will have different but equivalent universal numbers. This is not a problem because we have to consider *all* universal numbers to retrieve the physics and psychology of machines (this will include all such bijection).
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Bruno

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