On Apr 17, 6:54 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 3:43 pm, 1Z <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 5, 1:37 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > Stathis and Brent,
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> > > I'll respond to both at once since they are the same core objection:
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> > > "Why does feeling have to have "purpose"? "
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> > > "I can't even conceive of what it would mean for them
> > > to be justified. "
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> > > They have to be justified and have a purpose because that is what a
> > > deterministic universe would require.
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> > Nope. Determinism requires efficient causes,,
> > not final causes or purposes.
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> What do you say the efficient cause of feeling is?

Some priori brain state.

> > > Otherwise I can just say that a
> > > deterministic universe includes libertarian free will, ghosts &
> > > goblins, whatever.
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> > Libertarian free will contradicts the requirment
> > for sufficent causes.
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> No more than feeling.

No, Feeling isn't defined in terms of the presence or absence
of any kind of determinism or causality.

> >The others don;t contradict determinism.
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> Why not?

They are not defined in terms of it or its absence.

> > > What business does a feeling have being in a
> > > universe that is essentially a very sophisticated clock?
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> > Something happened that would cause a feeling.
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> Are you being serious?

Yes. Why shouldn't you have laws of the form
"If <<see kitten>> then <<feel warm and gooey>>" ?

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