On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Your claim that it is impossible to feel in a deterministic universe
>> is unjustified. It's simply an idea you have taken a fancy to.
> I don't claim that it is impossible to feel in a deterministic
> universe, but I suspect that is the case since there is no
> deterministic justification for or mechanism of 'feeling' of any kind.
> We would have to imagine that there is some mysterious deterministic
> purpose for it, otherwise there should be no possibility of feeling,
> and a deterministic universe should really be pretty parsimonious when
> it comes to allowing for mysterious purposes if it is to be logically
> consistent. So there is a completely logical basis for suspecting that
> feeling is impossible in a deterministic universe that has nothing to
> do with taking a fancy to the idea. I don't care one way or another,
> I'm only following the logic where it leads. What would determine that
> feeling should exist?
> My claim is that the feeling of free will is a special case that goes
> beyond this because even the suggestion of free will is inconceivable
> in a universe defined a priori as being deterministic. It would be
> like saying we could imagine what the 500th dimension or a new primary
> color is like.

Why does feeling have to have "purpose"? The universe as a whole does
not have "purpose" unless you believe in a certain kind of god.

Stathis Papaioannou

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