On 26 Apr 2012, at 16:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Apr 25, 11:44 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
This means only that you have a reductionist conception of machine.
I think that reductionism is mechanistic by definition.
I guess you mean mechanism is reductionist by definition. But that is
the old pregodelian conception of mechanism.
Today we know more. we know that we can only scratch the surface of
the machine's possibilities. And if we assume mechanism, we know, for
all machine looking inward can know (bt not necessarily) that she can
only scratch the subject.
What does it mean to behave like a machine or to be robotic? Why
should it mean that? This doesn't prove that all machines must all
behave like early machines that we have manufactured thus far, but I
think that taken with the other clues that we have about
inauthenticity in digital simulation, trouble with speech synthesis
and emotion with AI, symbol grounding problem, etc.. I think there is
a clear basis to presume that in fact there is something fundamentally
different about assembled machines and autopoietic living organisms
which may in fact limit their potential.
Then you have to find something non-Turing emulable, and non "first
person indeterminacy Turing recoverable" in Nature. But you might also
have to explain why such feature would be better to explain emotion,
speech, etc. It really looks like explaining the difficult by adding
more difficulties.
What you take as evidence is what the theory already explain. The
theory of machine (computer science) already explain why a machine
cannot feel to be machine, and indeed cannot even know which machines
she is.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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