On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: >> It's standard use of language that if something is not determined it is > random. >
> I have never heard of that in my life. YOU HAVEN'T??!!! Good God man it's time you got out more and get educated, or at least allow yourself 5 minutes to sit down and do nothing but think. > Did you say that because you had no choice or was it random? > I can't speak for him but when I say something I say it for a reason and when I do something that others don't understand and they ask me "why did you do that?" I have a answer for them. The day I start saying things for no reason is the day I run to the doctor for fear I'm having a stroke or some sort of epileptic seizure. > Random is determined [...] > That is ridiculous. If it's determined then it's not random and if it's not random then it's determined. > [...] randomly. > Ah now I see, you hold the rather uncontroversial view that random means random. Well I can't disagree with you about that but I think there may be more useful definitions, like random is a event without a cause. > >Free will is determined intentionally. > So now you're back to thinking "free will" is determined. Remind me again what we're arguing about. > Word games. > No not word games, it's called critical thinking. > The criminal justice system is designed to do one thing only: assess > guilt, ie degree of intentionality in a criminal act, and punish > accordingly. > The criminal justice system was designed by attorneys and judges who were almost as mesmerized, confused and distracted by the noise "free will" as you are, and that's why the criminal justice system is such a inconsistent chaotic mess. > Without free will, we are all sleepwalkers. Cannot comment, don't know what ASCII string "free will" means. > we are able to choose what our behavior will be. > Yes, and you made that choice for a reason or you did not make that choice for a reason, there is no third alternative. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.