Le 9 juin 2012 20:22, "Evgenii Rudnyi" <use...@rudnyi.ru> a écrit : > > On 09.06.2012 20:00 Quentin Anciaux said the following: > >> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi<use...@rudnyi.ru> >> >>> On 09.06.2012 18:07 Quentin Anciaux said the following: >>> >>> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi<use...@rudnyi.ru> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi<use...@rudnyi.ru> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> ... >>> >>> >>> Said that, I still see a computer in front of me (or a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> computer cluster at work, well I do not see it there but >>>>>>> rather access but I guess this does not matter). In other >>>>>>> words, even after having accepted your theorem, I do not >>>>>>> observe that the typhoon in the computer in front of me >>>>>>> makes me wet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes so what ? you're not at the same level so you can't >>>>>>> expect >>>>>>> >>>>>> that... Bruno said "Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons can >>>>>> make wet the relative arithmetical entities (with comp)." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Nothing special, I agree. Yet, let us imagine that we are at >>>>> the same level. Let me assume that I am in simulation. Yet, >>>>> even being in simulation, my simulated computer >>>>> >>>> >>>> ?? No it will make your simulated self in the simulated computer >>>> wet... but your simulated self in front of a simulated computer >>>> simulating you in front of a typhoon will not... same thing you >>>> (the 1st level simulated you) are *not* at the same level (as >>>> the simulated simulated you). >>>> >>>> >>> This I do not quite understand. What does it mean simulated levels >>> in simulation? After all my computer is simulated and I is >>> simulated. Then what is difference between my computer that is >>> simulated and myself that is simulated? Where the difference comes >>> from? >> >> >> >> You were talking about a 'you' being simulated inside a simulated >> computer (so that you is one level down from a simulated you in front >> of that simulated computer). >> >> So you have: >> >> "real" computer running a simulation. >> >> In that simulation a universal computer is "built" and on it (the >> simulated computer) a simulated being (part of the simulation at the >> level where the computer has been built) run another simulation, what >> is running on the simulated computer cannot affect the simulated >> being (which is in front of it, if the computer is a real simulation >> of a computer) but can affect simulated being running on the >> simulated world of that simulated computer. > > > No, I have meant > > a) simulated computer > > b) simulated myself (but not in a) > > Now I consider a) and b). This is after all some instructions executed by some Turing machine. It seems that there is no difference. How would you define the difference then in this case? >
If you are running at the same level (inside the same simulation, meaning what is simulating the computer is also simulating you and the world you share) then you're able to affect the computer. Quentin > > Evgenii > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
