2012/6/9 Quentin Anciaux <[email protected]> > > > 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi <[email protected]> > >> On 09.06.2012 18:07 Quentin Anciaux said the following: >> >> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi<[email protected]> >>> >>> On 09.06.2012 14:06 Quentin Anciaux said the following: >>>> >>>> 2012/6/9 Evgenii Rudnyi<[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 09.06.2012 12:36 Bruno Marchal said the following: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09 Jun 2012, at 08:39, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 08.06.2012 21:00 Pzomby said the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >> ... >> >> >> Said that, I still see a computer in front of me (or a >>>>>> computer cluster at work, well I do not see it there but rather >>>>>> access but I guess this does not matter). In other words, even >>>>>> after having accepted your theorem, I do not observe that the >>>>>> typhoon in the computer in front of me makes me wet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes so what ? you're not at the same level so you can't expect >>>>>> >>>>> that... Bruno said "Likewise, the arithmetical typhoons can make >>>>> wet the relative arithmetical entities (with comp)." >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Nothing special, I agree. Yet, let us imagine that we are at the >>>> same level. Let me assume that I am in simulation. Yet, even being >>>> in simulation, my simulated computer >>>> >>> >>> ?? No it will make your simulated self in the simulated computer >>> wet... but your simulated self in front of a simulated computer >>> simulating you in front of a typhoon will not... same thing you (the >>> 1st level simulated you) are *not* at the same level (as the >>> simulated simulated you). >>> >>> >> This I do not quite understand. What does it mean simulated levels in >> simulation? After all my computer is simulated and I is simulated. Then >> what is difference between my computer that is simulated and myself that is >> simulated? Where the difference comes from? > > > You were talking about a 'you' being simulated inside a simulated computer > (so that you is one level down from a simulated you in front of that > simulated computer). > > So you have: > > "real" computer running a simulation. > > In that simulation a universal computer is "built" and on it (the > simulated computer) a simulated being (part of the simulation at the level > where the computer has been built) run another simulation, what is running > on the simulated computer cannot affect the simulated being (which is in > front of it, if the computer is a real simulation of a computer) but can > affect simulated being running on the simulated world of that simulated > computer. > > Quentin >
Of course if you take our current hardware and your simulation cannot pause or cope with a shorting of memory space of the hardware, eventually a simulation deep down will be able to crash everything (up to your level, if itself cannot cope with that), but that's an implementation problem not an in principle problem. Quentin > > > Evgenii > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
