On Jun 15, 2012, at 7:05 AM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Stathis
> let me try to explain myself in a less "1st p. vocabulary".  As I explained I 
> carry an 'agnostic' worldview, because over the past millennia the 
> information what humanity gathered about "the world" increased steadily and 
> we have so far no indication of having reached omniscience. So I believe you 
> when asking out loud: "what ELSE is there?" and I have no answer of course. 2 
> trivial e.g.,-s:
> # Before Volta there was no hint to 'electrical' (whatever that is) phenomena 
> but after his observation a branch of developing physics speaks a lot of 
> such. #The Flat Earth was also a notion (even the Bible speaks about "the 4 
> corners" of it) and newer information developed a different cosmology over 
> the past centuries.
> And so on, why not getting new information in mentality questions as well? or 
> factors (even so far unknown 'domains') that may influence whatever we do  
> know/think/choose? 

No possible scientific discovery would make a difference to the debate on free 
will insofar as it is just a matter of semantics.

> And may I throw back your term: the "choice" you ask about is a PSEUDO - 
> choice, not choosing from ANYTHING (haphazardly), but within the given  
> possibilities (potentials) - in the unlimited complexity of which currently 
> we know only a portion. More we know than yesterday or 1000 - 10,000 years 
> ago, but believably less than we may learn hereafter. (I.e. in my 
> agnosticism).

Can you have a choice if your actions are determined or random? That's the 
question. The answer is a question of taste. The reality of living your life 
and making choices or pseudo-choices has nothing to do with the answer.

> (And you left untouched my question about  W H O  is discussing with YOUR 
> brain - and how?)

I am, the entity generated by my brain or whatever is generating my 
consciousness. And that too is independent of the question of free will.

Stathis Papaioannou

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