On 6/16/2012 6:12 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Jun 15, 2012, at 7:05 AM, John Mikes<jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
let me try to explain myself in a less "1st p. vocabulary". As I explained I carry an 'agnostic'
worldview, because over the past millennia the information what humanity gathered about "the world"
increased steadily and we have so far no indication of having reached omniscience. So I believe you when
asking out loud: "what ELSE is there?" and I have no answer of course. 2 trivial e.g.,-s:
# Before Volta there was no hint to 'electrical' (whatever that is) phenomena but after
his observation a branch of developing physics speaks a lot of such. #The Flat Earth was
also a notion (even the Bible speaks about "the 4 corners" of it) and newer
information developed a different cosmology over the past centuries.
And so on, why not getting new information in mentality questions as well? or
factors (even so far unknown 'domains') that may influence whatever we do
No possible scientific discovery would make a difference to the debate on free
will insofar as it is just a matter of semantics.
Hmm. You did not appreciate my hypothetical test in which it was found that physically
uncaused events in the brain led to purposeful actions and decisions? Of course that
would not *prove* contra causal free will, but I think it would be considered evidence for
it, since it would be contrary to both all extant theories of physical determinism and
And may I throw back your term: the "choice" you ask about is a PSEUDO -
choice, not choosing from ANYTHING (haphazardly), but within the given possibilities
(potentials) - in the unlimited complexity of which currently we know only a portion.
More we know than yesterday or 1000 - 10,000 years ago, but believably less than we may
learn hereafter. (I.e. in my agnosticism).
Can you have a choice if your actions are determined or random? That's the
question. The answer is a question of taste. The reality of living your life
and making choices or pseudo-choices has nothing to do with the answer.
(And you left untouched my question about W H O is discussing with YOUR brain
- and how?)
I am, the entity generated by my brain or whatever is generating my
consciousness. And that too is independent of the question of free will.
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