let me try to explain myself in a less "1st p. vocabulary". As I explained
I carry an *'agnostic'* worldview, because over the past millennia the
information what humanity gathered about "the world" increased steadily and
we have so far no indication of having reached omniscience. So I believe
you when asking out loud: *"what ELSE is there?"* and I have no answer of
course. 2 trivial e.g.,-s:
# Before Volta there was no hint to 'electrical' (whatever that is)
phenomena but after his observation a branch of developing physics speaks a
lot of such. #The Flat Earth was also a notion (even the Bible speaks about
"the 4 corners" of it) and newer information developed a different
cosmology over the past centuries.
And so on, why not getting new information in *mentality* questions as
well? or factors (even so far unknown 'domains') that may influence
whatever we do know/think/choose?
And may I throw back your term: the "choice" you ask about is a *PSEUDO -
choice*, not choosing from ANYTHING (haphazardly), but within the given
possibilities (potentials) - in the unlimited complexity of which
currently we know only a portion. More we know than yesterday or 1000 -
10,000 years ago, but believably less than we *may* learn hereafter. (I.e.
in my agnosticism).
(And you left untouched my question about * W H O* is discussing with *YOUR
* brain - and how?)
John Mikes Ph.D., D.Sc.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 6:55 AM, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Stathis, semantics is a fundamental principle as long as we 'talk in
> > terms'. Did you get a letter from God Almighty confirming that there is
> > nothing more FOR DECISIONMAKING than your brain and your ------------- >
> environment? Sorry to denigrate a term within your profession, but we -----
> know close to nothing about mentality, thinking in topical terms, even
> ------> THAT DARN 'decisionmaking'.
> > It may not be strictly deterministic, we MAY have SOME choice (all these
> > words from the 'pseudo' domain) but how impressive those (so far
> > domains(?) or factors do influence "our brain(?)" has not been known as
> of yesterday.
> > (I am still hung up on your use of the number of people you are:
> > "...if my actions are determined by my brain and my environment..."
> > who is the 'you' discussing with 'your brain'? Are you compatible with
> > but that is an old hat).
> Other than brain and environment, what else is there?
> As for choice and determinism: I do exactly what I want to do, and if
> I wanted do something else, I would do that. I consider that choice,
> whether my behaviour is determined or random. In fact, I don't see
> what "choice" could possibly mean if not this.
> Stathis Papaioannou
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