Stephan,

Strong emergence follows from Godel's incompleteness because in any
consistent system there are truths that cannot be derived from the axioms
of the system. That is what is meant by incompleteness.

Sounds like what you just said. No?
Richard

On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net>wrote:

>  Hi Richard,
>
>     Ah! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_emergence
>
> "Strong emergence is a type of emergence in which the emergent property is
> irreducible to its individual constituents."
>
> OK, but "irreducibility" would have almost the same meaning as implying
> the non-existence of relations between the constituents and the emergent.
> It makes a mathematical description of the pair impossible... I don't think
> that I agree that it is derivable from Godel Incompleteness; I will be
> agnostic on this for now. Could you explain how it might?
>
>
>
> On 8/23/2012 1:10 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
>
> It is said that strong emergence comes from Godel incompleteness.
> Weak emergence is like your grains of sand.
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Stephen P. King 
> <stephe...@charter.net>wrote:
>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>>     Pratt's theory does not address this. Could emergence be the result
>> of inter-communications between monads and not an objective process at all?
>> It is useful to think about how to solve the Sorites paradox to see what I
>> mean here. A heap is said to emerge from a collection of grains, but is
>> there a number or discrete or smooth process that generates the heap? No!
>> The heap is just an abstract category that we assign. It is a name.
>>
>> On 8/23/2012 9:44 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
>>
>>> Now if only someone could explain how emergence works.
>>> Can Pratt theory do that?
>>>
>>>
>>
> --
> Onward!
>
> Stephen
>
> "Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed."
> ~ Francis Bacon
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