Hmm like the old geezer with a Porsche, who can't sit in it, because of a bad back, to compensate for the lifelong frustration of withholding that pleasure? Enjoy stuff while we can, minimizing harm potential, no matter how old imho.
I find the study designed to create news hysteria. The authors stay careful not to make their claims overly seem "reefer madness"; but they know the media will do that amplification for them, even given only the small differences in results. I felt throughout, that this is science in "lawyer mode". There's a sense that they know where they want to go. Any statistician or lawyer will not ask : "What do you honestly think is true?" but instead "Ok, so what do we have, and where/how do we want to take this data and present?" I'm still old fashioned, in that I find questionnaires and cognitive tests on long term effects of drugs to be a bit ridiculous. Not one bit of empirical evidence other than belief in people's statements and statistical error correction (which you can lawyer-bend anyway). Evidence = what some people said, no blood measurements to see if statements align with reality, no external observation of frequency, dosages involved, kinds of cannabis consumed, in what way, just what people say... Like if I walked into a physics lab and said that I had evidence, because a friend, who I can't disclose, told me that the standard model doesn't hold up. And I can't explain why either, I have no basis or set of data for comparison, but my result is scientific and valid. With such low standards, one should get into drug research. Friends tell me things too, and they are more reliable than strangers in a study. And the media amplifies this as discovery with its adhd for advertising. But its more nuanced than most attempts to bullshit people about such complex things. So, it makes a good read for BS detector. m On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am of the opinion that recreational drugs should be the preserve of the > retired folk. > In fact in the USA with so many companies and the govt/military doing > random testing > you may as well wait until retirement. > Richard > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > >> Even Binet, who invented the IQ-tests, insisted that it can be used only >> to separate debility and sanity, not to measure small differences. The >> paper is mute on the most difficult part to assess, like such a difference. >> I am not sure such comparision must be itself compared with other "drug", >> like making similar tests, assuminf they makes sense, which I doubt. How >> evolve the IQ of people looking everyday at TV, and "sober" people, or >> alcoholic? >> To be sure I have not yet found the most typical error in statistics in >> that field, so that paper might be less wrong than usual, but still not >> very convincing, especially in the conclusion. The policy does not make >> sense, especially that we are systematically dis-informed about the real >> outcomes of basically all medication/drugs, and this will last as long as >> people will accept the nonsensical prohibition (of food and drug) laws, >> something known to be anticonstitutional in the US since the start. So my >> first feeling on that paper: crap. >> >> Bruno >> >> On 28 Aug 2012, at 15:09, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> Finally we have the whole story and truth: >> >> Direct link to PDF in question: >> >> >> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDMQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Finfam.antville.org%2Ffiles%2Fpnas%2F&ei=A7o8UNPENsil0AWCh4CAAg&usg=AFQjCNEnTJj8p7H1m6w40c3PXKIOgjQgQA >> >> Link to abstract: >> >> http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/08/22/1206820109.abstract >> >> Thank God Lewis Carroll, Victor Hugo and Alexander Dumas; such jazz >> greats as Louis Armstrong, Cab Calloway, Duke Ellington and Gene Krupa; and >> the pattern continues right up to modern-day artists and musicians such as >> the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Eagles, the Doobie Brothers, Bob >> Marley, Jefferson Airplane, Willie Nelson, Buddy RIch, Country Joe & the >> Fish, Joe Walsh, David Carradine, David Bowie, Iggy Pop, Lola Falana, >> Hunter S. Thompson, Peter Tosh, the Grateful Dead, Cypress Hill, Sinead >> O'Connor, Black Crowes, etc. >> >> Of course, smoking marijuana only enhances creativity for some and not >> for others. But so glad to have proof, that they all had to pay for their >> sins in terms of neuropsychological decline. >> >> It makes you dumb. Science has spoken. Dumb, lazy pot smokers >> under-performing in IQ-Tests. 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