On 31 Aug 2012, at 12:02, Quentin Anciaux wrote:



2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>

On 31 Aug 2012, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:



2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>

On 30 Aug 2012, at 20:01, meekerdb wrote:

On 8/29/2012 11:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

I might write a longer comment, but I will be a bit busy those days.

Here are some references on the fact that cannabis can cure cancer:

Cannabis selectively target cancerous cell, and makes them auto- phage (eating themselves):

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948    (original spain paper)

And we know that since 1974. When I read that in Jack Herer book, I did'nt belive it, until the spanish rediscovered this:

http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html

http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm

http://www.gsalternative.com/2010/05/cannabinoids-kill-cancer/


I see I was too quick in my skepticism about cannabis affecting cancer.


Quentin, did you mix cannabis with tobacco? With alcohol. Those combination are known to be addictive, but there is no statistical evidences for cannabis alone. I agree with you Quentin, it uses can be dangerous, but the use of windows too.

Brent, there are no evidences that cannabis is a problem for lungs. The one found have been debunked:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html

I never supposed it did. I just supposed that drawing smoke in your lungs probably isn't good for them.

Actually we have good reason to suspect the presence of strong oncogen (inducing cancer) molecules in the cannabis tar. The cannabis tar is indeed quite dangerous in that respect when studied ... in vitro. But then when statistics are done on large human pot smokers population, not only cancers don't show up, but a reduction of cancer is observed. The probable explanation is that some cannabinoids are more effective against cancer than the oncogen molecules.

Well I still remain perplex, because the most common usage is joint with mixing tobacco, what sort of cannabis smocker are taken in those studies ? How does they choose/find them ? Are those studies representative of the cannabis smockers ?

Those studies have compared also the difference between pure cannabis smoker and those who mix it with pot. In the US there are a lot of people who does not mix cannabis and tobacco. In Belgium also, and more and more as people get aware that tobacco is a hard drug (toxic and addictive). I have almost never mix them, and when I did, I have develop a strong addiction to such a mix, and quickly come back to separate them. The illegality of cannabis makes hard to explain to young people, who see their parent smoking tobacco and terrorised by cannabis, that the real "drug" in a joint is tobacco. I have try to prevent my nephews, but they laughed at me. Now they are grown up, and understand.




Lot of people who smockes cannabis, smockes also cigarettes, does it affect the result ?

Yes, but it is already quite different. They don't get addicted to MJ. Only to tobacco.



Prohibition is bad, not because "cannabis" could cure cancer, it's bad because it destroy live for stupid reasons.

It is bad for many reasons. Jefferson said:

"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are´╗┐ the souls of those who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson

And the founders of US were strongly opposed to prohibition, which they made anticonstitutional:

"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln

Prohibition might have been one of the reason why JFK has been murdered, and it is a tool for getting power, makes huge benefices and control the society by non democratic means. It is a criminal Trojan horse to control the government.

Anslinger, Nixon and Reagan, and then Bush, have all ordered studies on cannabis and alcohol, and their own studies have revealed that cannabis was nothing as dangerous compared to alcohol, but they have throw the studies in the trash, and then ordered new pseudo-studies to more obedient (pseudo) scientists.


I agree with all of that... but as you cite tobacco as a hard drug, same thing, I'm against prohibition for alcohol and tobacco... the bad thing about prohibition is that it criminalize that behavior, it doesn't become good because it is a hard drug.

I agree completely. It is just another problem with prohibition that we are misinformed on the relative danger of different substances. I guess you have seen that comic sketch by Coluche showing a completely drunk father giving a lesson in moral to his smoking pot son. As cannabis is not "really" dangerous, it is LESS dangerous to prohibit it than prohibiting a dangerous drug, as prohibition will make that dangerous drug more easily available to the kids, and sold without any price nor quality control, and sometimes mixed with mother dangerous product (but this is true also for legal products in some countries).

And when I say that cannabis is not dangerous, I don't mean that it is totally innocuous, as anything can be addictive and dangerous for different people.

I think we mainly agree, best,

Bruno





By googling on cannabis cancer, you will more information. I count up to 173 cancers where cannabinoids can help to cure. Many youtbe video provides indivvidual witnessing also, notably on babies like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcI5tWYr6do

In this case it appears that the main effect of the cannabis was as anti-nausea, which of course helps to cure the cancer, while there were a half-dozen other drugs that might have killed the cancer cells.

It is hard to derive a general proposition from one case. You might be right, but it seems that THC injection might just be more efficacious against cancer than chemo and radio therapies.

Some plant like cannabis and salvia seems to have strong beneficial influence of the immune system, but of course we have still a lot to learn. From 1800 to 1900, it seems that most medication was based on hemp, and that might be true since a much longer time.

The illegality of cannabis is a recent phenomenon, entirely based on lies. It is not more dangerous than beer, and actually much less dangerous. People habituated to cannabis does not get problem with liver, blood, brain, etc. It is, as an inebriant, *much safer than alcohol.

Anyway, drugs problem is a problem of health, not of criminality. Addiction is easy to cure, when you don't make the cure illegal, like in the US and Belgium, where Tabernanthe iboga is illegal, despite one session with it cures addiction. Prohibition leads to corruption and black money addiction. It is a killer of democracy.

Bruno




On 29 Aug 2012, at 17:26, meekerdb wrote:

On 8/29/2012 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

We know since 1974 that cannabis cures cancer, (american discovery hidden by Bush senior) but it is only since this has been rediscovered in Spain, that some media talk about it, but it does not yet make the headline. How many people died of cancer since? I can give you tuns of references and links on this, but the same lies continue.

The media talk about anything. You're going off the rails there, Bruno. There's no way cannabis cures cancer. If anything, smoking marijuana will cause lung cancer - though maybe not so much as tobacco.

Brent

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