On 31 Aug 2012, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
On 30 Aug 2012, at 20:01, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/29/2012 11:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I might write a longer comment, but I will be a bit busy those days.
Here are some references on the fact that cannabis can cure cancer:
Cannabis selectively target cancerous cell, and makes them auto-
phage (eating themselves):
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948 (original spain paper)
And we know that since 1974. When I read that in Jack Herer book,
I did'nt belive it, until the spanish rediscovered this:
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html
http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm
http://www.gsalternative.com/2010/05/cannabinoids-kill-cancer/
I see I was too quick in my skepticism about cannabis affecting
cancer.
Quentin, did you mix cannabis with tobacco? With alcohol. Those
combination are known to be addictive, but there is no statistical
evidences for cannabis alone. I agree with you Quentin, it uses
can be dangerous, but the use of windows too.
Brent, there are no evidences that cannabis is a problem for
lungs. The one found have been debunked:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html
I never supposed it did. I just supposed that drawing smoke in
your lungs probably isn't good for them.
Actually we have good reason to suspect the presence of strong
oncogen (inducing cancer) molecules in the cannabis tar. The
cannabis tar is indeed quite dangerous in that respect when
studied ... in vitro. But then when statistics are done on large
human pot smokers population, not only cancers don't show up, but a
reduction of cancer is observed. The probable explanation is that
some cannabinoids are more effective against cancer than the oncogen
molecules.
Well I still remain perplex, because the most common usage is joint
with mixing tobacco, what sort of cannabis smocker are taken in
those studies ? How does they choose/find them ? Are those studies
representative of the cannabis smockers ?
Those studies have compared also the difference between pure cannabis
smoker and those who mix it with pot. In the US there are a lot of
people who does not mix cannabis and tobacco. In Belgium also, and
more and more as people get aware that tobacco is a hard drug (toxic
and addictive). I have almost never mix them, and when I did, I have
develop a strong addiction to such a mix, and quickly come back to
separate them. The illegality of cannabis makes hard to explain to
young people, who see their parent smoking tobacco and terrorised by
cannabis, that the real "drug" in a joint is tobacco. I have try to
prevent my nephews, but they laughed at me. Now they are grown up, and
understand.
Lot of people who smockes cannabis, smockes also cigarettes, does it
affect the result ?
Yes, but it is already quite different. They don't get addicted to MJ.
Only to tobacco.
Prohibition is bad, not because "cannabis" could cure cancer, it's
bad because it destroy live for stupid reasons.
It is bad for many reasons. Jefferson said:
"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines
they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the
souls of those who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
And the founders of US were strongly opposed to prohibition, which
they made anticonstitutional:
"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to
control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of
things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the
very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln
Prohibition might have been one of the reason why JFK has been
murdered, and it is a tool for getting power, makes huge benefices and
control the society by non democratic means. It is a criminal Trojan
horse to control the government.
Anslinger, Nixon and Reagan, and then Bush, have all ordered studies
on cannabis and alcohol, and their own studies have revealed that
cannabis was nothing as dangerous compared to alcohol, but they have
throw the studies in the trash, and then ordered new pseudo-studies to
more obedient (pseudo) scientists.
Bruno
Quentin
By googling on cannabis cancer, you will more information. I count
up to 173 cancers where cannabinoids can help to cure. Many youtbe
video provides indivvidual witnessing also, notably on babies like
this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcI5tWYr6do
In this case it appears that the main effect of the cannabis was as
anti-nausea, which of course helps to cure the cancer, while there
were a half-dozen other drugs that might have killed the cancer
cells.
It is hard to derive a general proposition from one case. You might
be right, but it seems that THC injection might just be more
efficacious against cancer than chemo and radio therapies.
Some plant like cannabis and salvia seems to have strong beneficial
influence of the immune system, but of course we have still a lot to
learn. From 1800 to 1900, it seems that most medication was based on
hemp, and that might be true since a much longer time.
The illegality of cannabis is a recent phenomenon, entirely based on
lies. It is not more dangerous than beer, and actually much less
dangerous. People habituated to cannabis does not get problem with
liver, blood, brain, etc. It is, as an inebriant, *much safer than
alcohol.
Anyway, drugs problem is a problem of health, not of criminality.
Addiction is easy to cure, when you don't make the cure illegal,
like in the US and Belgium, where Tabernanthe iboga is illegal,
despite one session with it cures addiction. Prohibition leads to
corruption and black money addiction. It is a killer of democracy.
Bruno
On 29 Aug 2012, at 17:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 8/29/2012 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
We know since 1974 that cannabis cures cancer, (american
discovery hidden by Bush senior) but it is only since this has
been rediscovered in Spain, that some media talk about it, but
it does not yet make the headline.
How many people died of cancer since? I can give you tuns of
references and links on this, but the same lies continue.
The media talk about anything. You're going off the rails there,
Bruno. There's no way cannabis cures cancer. If anything,
smoking marijuana will cause lung cancer - though maybe not so
much as tobacco.
Brent
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