2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>

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> On 31 Aug 2012, at 10:44, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
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> 2012/8/31 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
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>> On 30 Aug 2012, at 20:01, meekerdb wrote:
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>>  On 8/29/2012 11:19 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> I might write a longer comment, but I will be a bit busy those days.
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>>  Here are some references on the fact that cannabis can cure cancer:
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>>  Cannabis selectively target cancerous cell, and makes them auto-phage
>> (eating themselves):
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>>  http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948    (original spain paper)
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>>  And we know that since 1974. When I read that in Jack Herer book, I
>> did'nt belive it, until the spanish rediscovered this:
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>>   http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.html
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>>  http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm
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>>   http://www.gsalternative.com/2010/05/cannabinoids-kill-cancer/
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>> I see I was too quick in my skepticism about cannabis affecting cancer.
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>>  Quentin, did you mix cannabis with tobacco? With alcohol. Those
>> combination are known to be addictive, but there is no statistical
>> evidences for cannabis alone. I agree with you Quentin, it uses can be
>> dangerous, but the use of windows too.
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>>  Brent, there are no evidences that cannabis is a problem for lungs. The
>> one found have been debunked:
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>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html
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>> I never supposed it did.  I just supposed that drawing smoke in your
>> lungs probably isn't good for them.
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>> Actually we have good reason to suspect the presence of strong oncogen
>> (inducing cancer) molecules in the cannabis tar. The cannabis tar is indeed
>> quite dangerous in that respect when studied ... in vitro. But then when
>> statistics are done on large human pot smokers population, not only cancers
>> don't show up, but a reduction of cancer is observed. The probable
>> explanation is that some cannabinoids are more effective against cancer
>> than the oncogen molecules.
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> Well I still remain perplex, because the most common usage is joint with
> mixing tobacco, what sort of cannabis smocker are taken in those studies ?
> How does they choose/find them ? Are those studies representative of the
> cannabis smockers ?
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> Those studies have compared also the difference between pure cannabis
> smoker and those who mix it with pot. In the US there are a lot of people
> who does not mix cannabis and tobacco. In Belgium also, and more and more
> as people get aware that tobacco is a hard drug (toxic and addictive). I
> have almost never mix them, and when I did, I have develop a strong
> addiction to such a mix, and quickly come back to separate them. The
> illegality of cannabis makes hard to explain to young people, who see their
> parent smoking tobacco and terrorised  by cannabis, that the real "drug" in
> a joint is tobacco. I have try to prevent my nephews, but they laughed at
> me. Now they are grown up, and understand.
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> Lot of people who smockes cannabis, smockes also cigarettes, does it
> affect the result ?
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> Yes, but it is already quite different. They don't get addicted to MJ.
> Only to tobacco.
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> Prohibition is bad, not because "cannabis" could cure cancer, it's bad
> because it destroy live for stupid reasons.
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> It is bad for many reasons. Jefferson said:
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> "If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they
> take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are´╗┐ the souls of
> those who live under tyranny."   Thomas Jefferson
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> And the founders of US were strongly opposed to prohibition, which they
> made anticonstitutional:
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> "Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to
> control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things
> that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very
> principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln
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> Prohibition might have been one of the reason why JFK has been murdered,
> and it is a tool for getting power, makes huge benefices and control the
> society by non democratic means. It is a criminal Trojan horse to control
> the government.
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> Anslinger, Nixon and Reagan, and then Bush, have all ordered studies on
> cannabis and alcohol, and their own studies have revealed that cannabis was
> nothing as dangerous compared to alcohol, but they have throw the studies
> in the trash, and then ordered new pseudo-studies to more obedient (pseudo)
> scientists.
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I agree with all of that... but as you cite tobacco as a hard drug, same
thing, I'm against prohibition for alcohol and tobacco... the bad thing
about prohibition is that it criminalize that behavior, it doesn't become
good because it is a hard drug.

Regards,
Quentin


> Bruno
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> Quentin
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>>  By googling on cannabis cancer, you will more information. I count up
>> to 173 cancers where cannabinoids can help to cure. Many youtbe video
>> provides indivvidual witnessing also, notably on babies like this one:
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>>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcI5tWYr6do
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>> In this case it appears that the main effect of the cannabis was as
>> anti-nausea, which of course helps to cure the cancer, while there were a
>> half-dozen other drugs that might have killed the cancer cells.
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>> It is hard to derive a general proposition from one case. You might be
>> right, but it seems that THC injection might just be more efficacious
>> against cancer than chemo and radio therapies.
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>> Some plant like cannabis and salvia seems to have strong beneficial
>> influence of the immune system, but of course we have still a lot to learn.
>> From 1800 to 1900, it seems that most medication was based on hemp, and
>> that might be true since a much longer time.
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>> The illegality of cannabis is a recent phenomenon, entirely based on
>> lies. It is not more dangerous than beer, and actually much less dangerous.
>> People habituated to cannabis does not get problem with liver, blood,
>> brain, etc. It is, as an inebriant, *much safer than alcohol.
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>> Anyway, drugs problem is a problem of health, not of criminality.
>> Addiction is easy to cure, when you don't make the cure illegal, like in
>> the US and Belgium, where Tabernanthe iboga is illegal, despite one session
>> with it cures addiction. Prohibition leads to corruption and black money
>> addiction. It is a killer of democracy.
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>> Bruno
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>>  On 29 Aug 2012, at 17:26, meekerdb wrote:
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>>  On 8/29/2012 7:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>  We know since 1974 that cannabis cures cancer, (american discovery
>> hidden by Bush senior) but it is only since this has been rediscovered in
>> Spain, that some media talk about it, but it does not yet make the headline.
>> How many people died of cancer since? I can give you tuns of references
>> and links on this, but the same lies continue.
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>> The media talk about anything.  You're going off the rails there, Bruno.
>> There's no way cannabis cures cancer.  If anything, smoking marijuana will
>> cause lung cancer - though maybe not so much as tobacco.
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>> Brent
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