Stephen, I don't know of this woman's account is anything like Bruno's experience or not. I believe she still experiences a stream of consciousness, but her visual sense is devoid of movement. She experiences only static frames:
One patient, LM, described pouring a cup of tea or coffee difficult "because the fluid appeared to be frozen, like a glacier".[5]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akinetopsia#cite_note-LM-4> She did not know when to stop pouring, because she could not perceive the movement of the fluid rising. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akinetopsia Jason On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net>wrote: > On 9/10/2012 12:28 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 07:24:02AM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote: >> >>> Dear Bruno, >>> >>> Could you explain a bit more what the experience of "being >>> conscious in a completely atemporal mode" was like? Where you aware >>> of any kind of change in your environment? Was one's internal >>> narrative (of external events) silent? >>> >>> I have always suspected that "subjective time might be a result >>> of self-consciousness" but have not had any way of discussing the >>> idea coherently. If we stipulate that "subjective time" is a form of >>> noticing that one is noticing changes (a second order aspect) in >>> one's environment, then this would fall into being a result of >>> self-consciousness (which is obviously a second order effect at >>> least to me). I have debated this idea before on this List with >>> Russell Standish but we didn't seem to reach any definite >>> conclusion. >>> >>> Your proposition is basically what my TIME postulate is all >> about. What Bruno is suggesting is that the smoking of certain plants >> induces a conscious state that contradicts TIME. I'm not prepared at >> this stage to follow in his footsteps, so have to simply take his >> observations (and of others in the Salvia forum) on face value. I do not >> know how TIME may be modified to reconcile it with this observation, >> yet remain in place for the deduction of quantum mechanics. >> >> Cheers >> >> Hi Russell, > > Perhaps what happens under these conditions is that the second order > aspect is not measured and thus not observed. This would have the effect of > making the passage of event into a continuous flow where we don't feel that > change is happening at all. It would be like watching a clock and not > noticing difference from the past positions of the hands; one would just be > continuously in the moment of the position at the time. This would indicate > an action of short term memory. > > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > http://webpages.charter.net/**stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html<http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to > everything-list@googlegroups.**com<everything-list@googlegroups.com> > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ > **googlegroups.com <everything-list%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
