On Wednesday, September 26, 2012 8:30:33 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Craig Weinberg
> >> Metabolism involves replacing parts of cells that break down with
> >> inanimate matter from the environment. The cells may or may not have
> >> experiences associated with them but apparently this process preserves
> >> the experiences. A car may have experiences and replacing the worn out
> >> car parts preserves the car's function and may also preserve the car's
> >> experiences. In what way is maintenance of cells fundamentally
> >> different to maintenance of cars?
> > The difference is that cells only metabolize when they are alive. A car
> > never alive so it has to be maintained externally and can't heal itself.
> > car is also not really one thing but thousands of parts assembled to act
> > if it were one thing. An organism is completely different in that it is
> > really one cell which has grown and replicated through its own sense and
> > motives into a body. The body isn't an assembly of cells acting like a
> > it is a single organism on one level and many organs and organisms on
> > levels. Just because cells perform mechanical functions also doesn't
> > that they are machines.
> Craig, have you ever worked in a biology lab? Have you ever discussed
> these ideas in person with a biology teacher at school or university?
> It's not even that you're wrong, it's that you've completely missed
> the point of the last two centuries years of biological science, which
> essentially consists in treating living organisms as understandable
> machines rather than mysterious spirits.
The problem is the assumption that they can only be one thing if they
aren't the other. This kind of dualism is a prejudice of a particular phase
of scientific development that is overdue for reconciliation. By framing it
as 'understandable vs mysterious' instead of public-spatial vs
private-temporal, we close off all possibility for progress. Do you think
that I don't know how effective the reductionist approach has been for
Western Civilization? The Catholic Church was deemed equally effective
during Galileo's time. You misunderstand my perspective and assume that I
am talking about some new force outside of physics when what I am doing is
showing a way of integrating the obvious conditions of our experience with
I think that realizing that cells are also our sub-personal experiences
will be the next two centuries of biological science.
> Stathis Papaioannou
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