On Thursday, September 27, 2012 12:32:38 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote: > > On 9/26/2012 9:27 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > > On 9/27/2012 12:19 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Craig Weinberg > <whats...@gmail.com><javascript:>wrote: > > The problem is the assumption that they can only be one thing if they > aren't > the other. This kind of dualism is a prejudice of a particular phase of > scientific development that is overdue for reconciliation. By framing it > as > 'understandable vs mysterious' instead of public-spatial vs > private-temporal, we close off all possibility for progress. Do you think > that I don't know how effective the reductionist approach has been for > Western Civilization? The Catholic Church was deemed equally effective > during Galileo's time. You misunderstand my perspective and assume that I > am > talking about some new force outside of physics when what I am doing is > showing a way of integrating the obvious conditions of our experience with > physics. > > I think that realizing that cells are also our sub-personal experiences > will be the next two centuries of biological science. > > But where do you get the idea that replacing a part of a cell with an > equivalent part will make a difference to the cell? You're speculating > that there is some special thing going on in cells that only you know > about and that has never been observed in centuries of laboratory > research. Isn't that a little bit arrogant? > > > No, Stathis, > > Craig is pointing out that functions are not separable in the real > world. Nature does not build things in a gears and spring method, every > part of a cell is an integral part of a whole. If we are to replicate the > function of a cell exactly we must literally replicate all aspects of a > cell, or else we are making something completely different. > > > And you know this...how? > > Brent >
Because of mortality and morbidity. Cells die. Bodies die. They cannot be revived, even with formaldehyde and electricity. If you cut a rat in half and then meticulously sew it back together, you still have two parts of a dead rat. We know from our own experience as well - we can't replace our youth with an equivalent part. Quantum wave functions may not seem to care whether time runs forward or backward, but experience does. We can't take out a part of a story and expect it to make sense in the same way, just as we can't replace words in a sentence and have it make sense in the exact same way. Interchangeability is not a given. Craig Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/reTq1X7_uAIJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
