On 09 Oct 2012, at 12:34, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Consciousness had to arise before language.
Apes are conscious.
OK.
I think that all animals and plants are conscious, although not on a
really common scale with most animals.
I think all animals "above" the octopus, including some spiders, are
self-conscious.
Today.
Bruno
Roger Clough, [email protected]
10/9/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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From: Craig Weinberg
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Time: 2012-10-08, 14:23:18
Subject: Re: Zombieopolis Thought Experiment
On Monday, October 8, 2012 1:35:31 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 10/8/2012 8:42 AM, John Clark wrote:
2) Intelligent behavior is NOT associated with subjective
experience, in which case there is no reason for Evolution to
produce consciousness and I have no explanation for why I am here,
and I have reason to believe that I am the only conscious being in
the universe.
There's a third possibility: Intelligent behavior is sometimes
associated with subjective experience and sometimes not. Evolution
may have produced consciousness as a spandrel, an accident of the
particular developmental path that evolution happened upon. Or it
may be that consciousness is necessarily associated with only
certain kinds of intelligent behavior, e.g. those related to language.
You are almost right but have it upside down. When someone gets
knocked unconscious, can they continue to behave intelligently? Can
a baby wake up from a nap and become conscious before they learn
language?
What would lead us to presume that consciousness itself could
supervene on intelligence except if we were holding on to a
functionalist metaphysics?
Clearly human intelligence in each individual supervenes on their
consciousness and clearly supercomputers can't feel any pain or show
any signs of fatigue that would suggest a state of physical
awareness despite their appearances of 'intelligence'.
If you flip it over though, you are right. Everything is conscious
to some extent, but not everything is intelligent in a cognitive
sense. The assumption of strong AI is that we can take the low
hanging fruit of primitive consciousness and attach it to the tree
tops of anthropological quality intelligence and it will grow a new
tree into outer space.
Craig
Bretn
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