On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:08:49 AM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>
> On 10/16/2012 8:54 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: 
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Craig 
> > Weinberg<whats...@gmail.com<javascript:>> 
>  wrote: 
> >> >Computation is an overly simplified emergent property of sense. If you 
> could 
> >> >have computation without sense, then there would be no consciousness. 
> >> >Craig 
> >> > 
> > Could you provide a link where you more fully explain what sense is 
> > and how it relates to comp and consciousness? You probably already 
> > have. But I missed it. 
> > Richard 
> Hi Richard, 
>
>      Unless you are a zombie, you are experiencing right now exactly 
> what Sense is. Only you can know exactly what the Sense of Richard 
> Ruquist and Craig can only experience (and thus know) what his Sense 
> is.  What you need to understand is that Sense is strictly 1p, it has no 
> 3p aspect. You either experience your own version of it or, like Dennett 
> and the materialist, try to deny its existence. 
>

Right! At the same time, I would say that there is no truly 3p aspect of 
anything. The 3p arises as an internalization of many 1p (private 
qualitative) experiences within another 1p experience (as quantitative 
public token views). 

Craig


> -- 
> Onward! 
>
> Stephen 
>
>
>

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