On 10/16/2012 2:17 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:08:49 AM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 10/16/2012 8:54 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Craig
Weinberg<whats...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:
>> >Computation is an overly simplified emergent property of
sense. If you could
>> >have computation without sense, then there would be no
consciousness.
>> >Craig
>> >
> Could you provide a link where you more fully explain what sense is
> and how it relates to comp and consciousness? You probably already
> have. But I missed it.
> Richard
Hi Richard,
Unless you are a zombie, you are experiencing right now exactly
what Sense is. Only you can know exactly what the Sense of Richard
Ruquist and Craig can only experience (and thus know) what his Sense
is. What you need to understand is that Sense is strictly 1p, it
has no
3p aspect. You either experience your own version of it or, like
Dennett
and the materialist, try to deny its existence.
Right! At the same time, I would say that there is no truly 3p aspect
of anything. The 3p arises as an internalization of many 1p (private
qualitative) experiences within another 1p experience (as quantitative
public token views).
Craig
I agree 100%. All 3p related concepts are abstractions constructed
from many different 1p's. The idea of "Reality" is a good example of
this and it is why I define Reality as "what which is incontrovertible
for some collection N (N > 2) of observers that can communicate (or
interact) in some meaningful way. Of course the word "meaningful" is a
bit ambiguous...
--
Onward!
Stephen
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