Rodger, why do you believe that religious "truth" is truth at all, much less the highest truth? It's because most small children are genetically hard wired to unquestionably believe most of what adults tell them and to carry that belief until the day they die; that's why religious belief has a very very strong geographical pattern. Infants in the Americas were told Christian Bullshit before they were able to reason properly and so they believed it, and when they become adults they taught the same Bullshit to their children; Middle Eastern infants were taught Islamic Bullshit and Indian children were taught Hindu Bullshit. And this self reinforcing cycle of idiocy that has cursed the Human Race for so many centuries causes most people in the Americas to believe in Christianity mythology, most in the Middle East to to believe in Islamic mythology and most in India to believe in Hindu mythology.
John K Clark Hi Stephen P. King > > Necessary truths can't be contingent, because contingent > truths by definition are contingent on circumstances > and so may not always be true. Scientific truth, or > any truth of this world, is such. > > Pierce taught that consensus or pragmatic truth is > supreme. What people believe in their hearts, > what they believe subjectively. What they experience now. > > Why is pragmatic truth supreme ? Even higher than > a necessary truth? 1 + 1 = 2, a statement, > is a necessary truith, but the higher truth is to > know that 1 +1 =2, to personally accept and believe that. > If many agree, that is even better. > > If many, such as the Christian church, accept > a truth such as "God created the world", you > might want to consider it. But it is only true > if you pragmatically accept it as true. Lutherans > call that acceptance "faith". > > There are many forms of truth-- necessary and contingent > truths, subjective and objective truths, truths by > correspondence, or through coherency, pragmatic > truth, eye witness truth, and so forth. In the end, one accepts > the truth he has the most faith in. So faith > again rules. > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net <+rclo...@verizon.net> > 11/4/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Stephen P. King > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-11-03, 13:31:14 > Subject: Re: Emergence of Properties > > > On 11/3/2012 8:57 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > The properties of spacetime things are what can be measured (ie facts). > The properties of beyond spacetime things are propositions that can't be > contradicted (necessary truths). > > Hi Roger, > > I do not assume that the "can't be contradicted" is an a priori fixed > apartheid on truths. I define necessary truths to be contingent on many > minds in agreement. > > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.