Hi Stephen P. King The word "must" implies forcible persuasion.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 14:08:54 Subject: Re: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible? Ipersonally think so. On 1/6/2013 8:39 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Alberto G. Corona > > Sounds like fascism to me. How so? > > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/6/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Alberto G. Corona > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-06, 06:56:37 > Subject: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? > Ipersonally think so. > > > A greath truth. Every human knowledge has also social consequiences. When I > say "A". I don? only say "A is true". I say also that because A is true and > you must accept it because a set of my socially reputated fellows of me did > something to affirm it, you must believe it, and, more important, I deserve a > superior status than you, the reluctant. > > > As a consequence of this fact o human nature (which has a root in natural > selection). every corpus of accepted knowledge is associated from the > beginning to a chiurch of guardians of ortodoxy. No matter the intentions or > the objectivity or the asepsy of the methods of the founders. There is a > power to keep, much to gain and loose, and as time goes on, real truth > becomes a secondary question. ?he creatie, syncere founders are substituted > by media polemizers and mediocre defenders of the status quio. > > > This power-truth tension in science was biased heavily towards the former > when State nationalized science at the end of the XIX century, because > science was standardized and homogeneized to the minimum common denominator, > chopping any heterodoxy, destroying free enquiry which was vital for the > advancement. Now peer reviews are ?n many sofft disciplines, filters of > ortodoxy, not quality controls. ? > > > As the philosopher of science Feyerabend said, It is necessary a separation > of State and science as much as was necessary a separartion of State and > church: Because a state with a unique church of science is a danger for > freedom, and because a science dominated by the state is a danger for any > science. > > > The standardization of science towards materiamism was a logical consequence > of ?he a philosophical stance of protestantism: the Nominalism, that rejected > the greek philosophical legacy and separated dratically the revelated > knowledge of the Bible form the knowledge of the things of the world without > the bridge of greek philosophy. Mind-soul and matter became two separate > realms. Common sense or the Nous were not a matter of science and reason, > like in the greek philosophy (what is reasonable included what makes common > sense, just like it is now in common parlancy), but a matter of the > individual spirit under the firm umbrela of the biblical revelation. The > problem is that this umbrela progressively dissapeared, and with it, common > sense. That gave a nihilistic relativism as a consequience. With the > exception of USA, where common sense is still supported by the faith. > > > ?he other cause were the wars of religion among christian denominations, that > endend up in a agreement of separation between church and state, where any > conflictive view was relegated to religion as faith, and only the minimum > common denominator was admitted as a foundation for politics, This MCD was a > form of political religion. This political religion was teist at the > beginning (As is not in USA) laater deist and now is materialist, following a > path of progressive reduction to accomodate the progressive secularization > (which indeed was a logical consequence of the nominalism and the > proliferation of faiths that the reform gave birth). > > > In later stages, the political religion has dropped the country history, and > even reversed it, and, following its inexorable logic, try to destroy > national identity of each individual european country, in the effort to > accomodate the incoming inmigration worldviews. This is in part, no matter > how shockig is, the logical evolution of the agreement that ended the > religious wars of the XVI century. > > In the teistic and deistic stages the State made use of the transcendence in > one form or another for his legitimacy, since the divine has a plan, and > people belive in the divine, the legitimacy of the state, in the hearths fo > the people, becomes real when the nation-state is inserted in this divine > plan. > > > When, to accomodate the materialistic sects, marxists among them, the ?tate > took over Science to legitimate itself, because the State no longer had the > transcendence as an option to suppor his legitimacy. the legitimacy of the > state was supported by a materialistic sciece, subsidized, controlled and > depurated from any heterodoxy.? > > > So there is the current science, an image of the state political religion, > Multicultural, relativistic and materialist. > > > > > > > > 2013/1/4 Stephen P. King > > On 1/4/2013 9:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Stephen P. King > > ....very few scientists.... > > Sheldrake has done many successful experiments to empirically prove what he > claims. > The results are in his books. Some have been published in New Scientist. > > See http://www.sheldrake.org/Research/overview/ > > > > ?? "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and > making them see the?light, but rather because its opponents eventually?die, > and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." Max Planck. > > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > Alberto. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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