On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net>wrote:

>  On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote:
>
> On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
>
> On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
>
> Hi Stephen P. King
>
> The word "must" implies forcible persuasion.
>
>
> Hi,
>
>     But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism.
> Fascism is a governing system where the population can own property
> privately but the use of said property is dictated by the State. Most
> countries are fascistic.
>
>
> Only because you've taken a single attribute of Fascism and taken it to be
> a definition.  Fascism is the idea that a nation is a kind of super-being
> in which labor, industry, and government are *bound together into one*
> (hence the name) and the life of citizens takes meaning from how they serve
> their function as an element of The State.  This was further taken to imply
> that superior, i.e. Fascist, nations should bring this superior culture to
> other inferior, i.e. non-Fascist, nations by armed conquest.
>
> Brent
> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the
> merger of state and corporate power."
>          --- Benito Mussolini.
> --
>
>
>     Thank you, Brent, for this. ;-) I was trying to highlight the behavior
> of fascism in ways that do not invoke extraneous discussion. All that you
> added, while true, is irrelevant to my definition as it is representative
> of just one form of fascism, that of Mussolini's Italy.
>
>
Negative, from German perspective: Nazi as adherent to NSDAP (German:
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) so "national socialist
german worker's party" wrote in their constitution that "corporations
potentially pose a threat to the state and have to thus be merged with
state force to facilitate common good". This was done not only to build and
develop weapons, but to build the A1 freeway, on which yours truly traveled
south today.

Don't know how Japan handled it, but imagine that it would've run along
similar lines. High efficiency, high productivity, lowers unemployment,
automatically restrains budding monopolies... all the kind of things the
west proclaims to want today; even though history should at some point
teach us what this means, we don't seem to get it or don't want to.
PGC



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>
> Stephen
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