On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
The word "must" implies forcible persuasion.
But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism.
Fascism is a governing system where the population can own property
privately but the use of said property is dictated by the State. Most
countries are fascistic.
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On 1/6/2013 8:39 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Alberto G. Corona
> Sounds like fascism to me.
> [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen
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> Subject: From nominalism to Scientifc Materialism Re: Is
Sheldrake credible ? Ipersonally think so.
> A greath truth. Every human knowledge has also social
consequiences. When I say "A". I don? only say "A is true". I say
also that because A is true and you must accept it because a set
of my socially reputated fellows of me did something to affirm it,
you must believe it, and, more important, I deserve a superior
status than you, the reluctant.
> As a consequence of this fact o human nature (which has a root
in natural selection). every corpus of accepted knowledge is
associated from the beginning to a chiurch of guardians of
ortodoxy. No matter the intentions or the objectivity or the
asepsy of the methods of the founders. There is a power to keep,
much to gain and loose, and as time goes on, real truth becomes a
secondary question. ?he creatie, syncere founders are substituted
by media polemizers and mediocre defenders of the status quio.
> This power-truth tension in science was biased heavily towards
the former when State nationalized science at the end of the XIX
century, because science was standardized and homogeneized to the
minimum common denominator, chopping any heterodoxy, destroying
free enquiry which was vital for the advancement. Now peer reviews
are ?n many sofft disciplines, filters of ortodoxy, not quality
> As the philosopher of science Feyerabend said, It is necessary a
separation of State and science as much as was necessary a
separartion of State and church: Because a state with a unique
church of science is a danger for freedom, and because a science
dominated by the state is a danger for any science.
> The standardization of science towards materiamism was a logical
consequence of ?he a philosophical stance of protestantism: the
Nominalism, that rejected the greek philosophical legacy and
separated dratically the revelated knowledge of the Bible form the
knowledge of the things of the world without the bridge of greek
philosophy. Mind-soul and matter became two separate realms.
Common sense or the Nous were not a matter of science and reason,
like in the greek philosophy (what is reasonable included what
makes common sense, just like it is now in common parlancy), but a
matter of the individual spirit under the firm umbrela of the
biblical revelation. The problem is that this umbrela
progressively dissapeared, and with it, common sense. That gave a
nihilistic relativism as a consequience. With the exception of
USA, where common sense is still supported by the faith.
> ?he other cause were the wars of religion among christian
denominations, that endend up in a agreement of separation between
church and state, where any conflictive view was relegated to
religion as faith, and only the minimum common denominator was
admitted as a foundation for politics, This MCD was a form of
political religion. This political religion was teist at the
beginning (As is not in USA) laater deist and now is materialist,
following a path of progressive reduction to accomodate the
progressive secularization (which indeed was a logical consequence
of the nominalism and the proliferation of faiths that the reform
> In later stages, the political religion has dropped the country
history, and even reversed it, and, following its inexorable
logic, try to destroy national identity of each individual
european country, in the effort to accomodate the incoming
inmigration worldviews. This is in part, no matter how shockig is,
the logical evolution of the agreement that ended the religious
wars of the XVI century.
> In the teistic and deistic stages the State made use of the
transcendence in one form or another for his legitimacy, since the
divine has a plan, and people belive in the divine, the legitimacy
of the state, in the hearths fo the people, becomes real when the
nation-state is inserted in this divine plan.
> When, to accomodate the materialistic sects, marxists among
them, the ?tate took over Science to legitimate itself, because
the State no longer had the transcendence as an option to suppor
his legitimacy. the legitimacy of the state was supported by a
materialistic sciece, subsidized, controlled and depurated from
> So there is the current science, an image of the state political
religion, Multicultural, relativistic and materialist.
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