On 1/6/2013 3:45 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:


On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net <mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote:

    On 1/6/2013 4:56 PM, meekerdb wrote:
    On 1/6/2013 1:33 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
    On 1/6/2013 3:49 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
    Hi Stephen P. King
    The word "must" implies forcible persuasion.

    Hi,

        But the use of force to persuade is not the essence of fascism. Fascism 
is a
    governing system where the population can own property privately but the 
use of
    said property is dictated by the State. Most countries are fascistic.

    Only because you've taken a single attribute of Fascism and taken it to be a
    definition.  Fascism is the idea that a nation is a kind of super-being in 
which
    labor, industry, and government are *bound together into one* (hence the 
name) and
    the life of citizens takes meaning from how they serve their function as an 
element
    of The State.  This was further taken to imply that superior, i.e. Fascist, 
nations
    should bring this superior culture to other inferior, i.e. non-Fascist, 
nations by
    armed conquest.

    Brent
    "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the
    merger of state and corporate power."
             --- Benito Mussolini.
--

        Thank you, Brent, for this. ;-) I was trying to highlight the behavior 
of
    fascism in ways that do not invoke extraneous discussion. All that you 
added, while
    true, is irrelevant to my definition as it is representative of just one 
form of
    fascism, that of Mussolini's Italy.


Negative, from German perspective: Nazi as adherent to NSDAP (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) so "national socialist german worker's party" wrote in their constitution that "corporations potentially pose a threat to the state and have to thus be merged with state force to facilitate common good". This was done not only to build and develop weapons, but to build the A1 freeway, on which yours truly traveled south today.

Don't know how Japan handled it, but imagine that it would've run along similar lines. High efficiency, high productivity, lowers unemployment, automatically restrains budding monopolies... all the kind of things the west proclaims to want today; even though history should at some point teach us what this means, we don't seem to get it or don't want to.

Nazism was not Fascism. It borrowed from Fascism but it added mystic racism, Hitler cult, and genocide.

Brent

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