On 1/21/2013 9:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Impossible, or comp is false. No machine can ever figure out that there is anything
without postulating it by faith.
No, postulating it by hypothesis.
The fact that such postulation is unconscious makes this counter-intuitive, but with
comp it is provable with mathematical logic.
You are too quick to equate a provisional entertainment of a propisition with faith, from
which you jump to religion. This the liberal theologians move that John rightly mocks: "If
you believe anything then you believe in God because God is that thing." It's a move that
made Paul Tillich famous, because he did it so nakedly.
Here you betray that you really believe, in the pseudo-religious sense, in Aristotle
You confirm my feeling that atheists might be only *naive* christians which are deeply
unaware of their faith. You really can't doubt that there might be any other notion of
"God" than yours, even to disbelieve in, and apparently you can't doubt that reality
might not be WYSIWYG.
And you apparently believe you can take a word that has had a fairly fixed meaning for
1500yrs (by your reckoning) and when someone uses it you can say they are wrong because it
really mean what Plato meant by it (although he spoke a different language). I'm sure
Plato was criticized because he didn't use it to refer to Uranus and Gaea and so distorted
the "real" meaning - in fact Socrates was condemned for corrupting youths belief in those
“When we come to believe, we have no desire to believe anything else, for we begin by
believing that there is nothing else which we have to believe…. I warn people not to seek
for anything beyond what they came to believe, for that was all they needed to seek for.
In the last resort, however, it is better for you to remain ignorant, for fear that you
come to know what you should not know…. Let curiosity give place to faith, and glory to
salvation. Let them at least be no hindrance, or let them keep quiet. To know nothing
against the Rule [of faith] is to know everything.”
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