On 21 Jan 2013, at 22:08, meekerdb wrote:

On 1/21/2013 8:53 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

> You confuse theology and post 500 occidental use of the field.

There is no such field of study. There are experts in literature and experts in the behavior of bronze age tribes but there are no experts in the "field" of theology because there is no knowledge there to impart. There is no there there. And I don't understand your grudge with occidental civilization, western religions are not significantly stupider than eastern religions.

> Theology is mainly perverted since 523

Speaking of confusion, I am using the word "theology", as you admit in the above, as it has been used for the last 1500 years. If you insist on redefining common words (like God and theology) and give them your own private meaning then confusion is inevitable; we need a language to communicate and a language known to only one person is useless.

> Theology did come up with the idea that there is a reality,

That is one ridiculous statement! With or without theology people had no trouble figuring out that there is a reality, so did snails.

> and that reason can unravelled it, or a part of it.

I didn't think it was possible but that statement is even more ridiculous! Science had to fight every inch of the way against theology and theologians and the fight still isn't over. If you can't immediately figure out how something can be the way it is theology advises you to just give up and say "God did it"; in other words theologians are intellectually lazy, but fortunately scientists are not. But they do have something in common, they both love mysteries. Theologians love mysteries because they like to wallow in ignorance, scientists love mysteries because it gives them something new to try to figure out. That's why particle physicists would be absolutely delighted if the LHC produced something mysterious that contradicted something they thought they knew and will be very disappointed if nothing like that shows up in one of their detectors. Can you imagine a theologian being delighted to find something that contradicted his faith? I can't.

> What is your theory?

That theologians are so dumb they can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

To see a prefect example of a theologian who is apparently a graduate of The John K. Clark school of Liberal Divinity see:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/20/the-way-of-the-agnostic/


Gary Gutting seems quite good to me. Nice paper.

Bruno





I didn't bother to comment since there a plenty of good comments already, but it exemplifies many features of liberal theological thought:

Some things can never be explained by science; and if science hasn't explained it then religion does.

Religion "gives access to a rich and fulfilling life of love" (which is implicitly denied the irreligious).

Atheists have to prove God doesn't exist.

There is something called 'understanding' that is better than knowledge and you can have for free

Brent


  John k Clark



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