On Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:50:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 05 Feb 2013, at 21:34, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, February 5, 2013 3:27:27 PM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >> >> >> >> >> 2013/2/5 Stephen P. King <[email protected]> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> ISTM that purpose is a 1p, so to ask the question in a 3p sense is >>> to make it meaningless. >>> >>> >>> That´s it. >> >> >> But to insist into make the question in 3p may force the introduction of >> an implicit 1p that contemplate the 3p, that is, a metamind , with a >> metatime etc. (To avoid pavlovian responses, i don´t mention the G. world). >> That is the meaning of my previous response. >> > > Why doesn't the metamind need a metamind? > > > In fact arithmetic explains the presence of mind, in both the 3p and 1p > view. Even without comp actually, by using the definition of mind by > self-reference, and true self-reference (with truth guven by Tarski theory > applied to arithmetic). > > Bruno > > What explains the presence of arithmetic? Or if we assume arithmetic, why should there be the presence of anything else?
Craig > > > > > > >> >>> >>> On 2/5/2013 6:23 AM, Russell Standish wrote: >>> >>>> Only in the same sense that evolution is teleological, ie not really. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 06:59:01PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> So does this explain the PURPOSE of the universe or merely a dominant >>>>> FUNCTION? The blind exercise of function doesn't seem to me to include >>>>> the >>>>> global concept of purpose. The use of this word is about my only gripe >>>>> with >>>>> it. I could be wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> K >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Onward! >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-li...@**googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.**com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>> group/everything-list?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en> >>> . >>> For more options, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
