On 2/6/2013 3:43 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
It may be that like all CREATIVE endeavours (including evolution), the purpose of the universe is what the universe is endeavouring to engender. In other words, the universe has no purpose until that purpose comes into being. When the universe (or multiverse or whatever) manages to create its purpose, that purpose may be instantly apparent to all sentient beings inside it. Clearly it hasn't happened yet, because if it had, this list would no longer be necessary. Therefore, the purpose of purpose can only be read after the event, never before it. Maybe take that thought somewhere or other.


Kim Jones

Hi Kim,

I agree 100%. The implied relation to time (via an action of evolution) that you mention is exactly what I have found to solve the problem that Leibniz' Pre-established harmony has. It expands on the idea that 'time exists because everything cannot happen simultaneously'.

On 06/02/2013, at 11:48 AM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net <mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote:

On 2/5/2013 3:27 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:

2013/2/5 Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net <mailto:stephe...@charter.net>>


        ISTM that purpose is a 1p, so to ask the question in a 3p
    sense is to make it meaningless.

Thatæ„€ it.

But to insist into make the question in 3p may force the introduction of an implicit 1p that contemplate the 3p, that is, a metamind , with a metatime etc. (To avoid pavlovian responses, i donæ„’ mention the G. world). That is the meaning of my previous response.

Hi Alberto,

    But the meta versions would be 1p's in their own right, no?

    On 2/5/2013 6:23 AM, Russell Standish wrote:

        Only in the same sense that evolution is teleological, ie
        not really.


        On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 06:59:01PM +1100, Kim Jones wrote:

            So does this explain the PURPOSE of the universe or
            merely a dominant FUNCTION? The blind exercise of
            function doesn't seem to me to include the global
            concept of purpose. The use of this word is about my
            only gripe with it. I could be wrong.





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