On 2/8/2013 12:04 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:


On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:23 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    On 2/7/2013 3:15 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:


    On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:53 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net
    <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

        On 2/7/2013 12:01 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:

            “A secular purpose” is a nice ruse, because it is “theology-free”, 
right?


        Yes it is.  It's not dependent on any ultimate foundation of the 
universe (per
        Bruno's definition of 'theology') or even any agreement about what that 
might
        be.  It only depends on the public subjective non-religious values of 
society
        as expressed in their laws.  That's what 'secular' means.


    By what mechanism does a value become "non-religious"? How did "marriage" 
become
    secular for instance?

    Can you define non-religious values?

    I can where religions are certified by the state.


Care to share an example of a secular value stripped of all religious and transcendental connotations?

Sure, murder is bad. Of course this may be incoporated into many different religions as a value imposed by some transcendental force - but it's constancy across many cultures and religions, it's obvious relation to evolutionary survival makes it pretty clear that it's a secular value.

Brent


Not trying to make a point. Just interested :)

PGC

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